quarter mile time

[Ryan Jackson]

ok so my car is bone stock accept I took off the air silencer and added flowmasters and 2inch tails I tried to go to the track last weekend cause I am curious to see what I would run in the 1/4 but they shut down the track due to an accident, bummer an hour drive for nothing, so I am wondering what do these cars run stock in the 1/4 and will the air silencer and flowmasters make a difference in 1/4 mile time as apposed to stock

[NYC LS8]

15.6-ish at around 88 or so is the norm, IIRC.

[John Dancy]

I disagree.
He can't do better than 16.25 with that set up and even ~that~ time will be with a tail wind and down hill.

I wager one grande from Starbucks.

[NYC LS8]

He better do better than that. My 87 - stock - ran a 16.5 @ 83 - with the 200hp H.O.

['cuda]

Umm, why not. I'm tempted to take your wager but I believe Starbucks and Wally World are both signs of the apocolypse. How about strip joint bucks ? :D

[pro-five-oh]

Oldschool is right. Under 16 secs with stock gears, convertor, motor, catback, etc? The fastest recorded time I saw was 16.1@88, so I'd go with that. 1986 LSC's aren't that much slower than the 1988-ups.

That, and I thought the world was coming to an end when I saw a starbucks across the street from another starbucks here in Houston. Its been years and we are all still here. smile.gif

[ June 23, 2005: Message edited by: pro-five-oh ]

[NYC LS8]

I guess it's been a while since I've been there. Oh well

[JSev22]

I'm a timeslip Nazi so I'm going to say anything better than 16.0 would be astounding. He has a blass with 3.08 open rear and 15" stock tires....

[NYC LS8]

John - You went 15.5 @ 87 with just an ignition module, chip and a cold air intake..at least according to this:

http://www.fordvschevy.com/forum/member.php?&do=vehicledetails&userid=5070

:confused:

[LJS30]

What mods have to be done to get into the low 13's?

[NYC LS8]

New motor with ported E7 heads, Explorer intake, 65mm TB, 70mm EGR spacer, Comp Cams cam, 1.6RR (that were just taken out for some 1.72s), 24# injectors, 75mm MAF, 5 speed swap and 4.10s are pretty much it.

I'll get some low 13s if I ever spring some some stickier tires lol

[LJS30]

Damn those are some pretty serious mods. There is no way I can get low 13's with this:

1. Rebuilt 5.0 HO (stock camshaft)
2. Brodix heads (and other mods needed to use these heads)
3. MAF
4. Kenne Belle blower
5. AOD (shift kit)
6. 3.7's in the rear

[JSev22]

quote:Originally posted by LJS30:
Damn those are some pretty serious mods. There is no way I can get low 13's with this:

1. Rebuilt 5.0 HO (stock camshaft)
2. Brodix heads (and other mods needed to use these heads)
3. MAF
4. Kenne Belle blower
5. AOD (shift kit)
6. 3.7's in the rear


Have you run the car? A set of sticky tires should get you there.....

[LSC SS]

why would you put an all new motor in with brodix heads, a kenne bell and only a stock cam?? seems like a big waste of money to me, but then again, what the hell do i know??

[LJS30]

I heard somewhere that the stock cam works excellent with the Kenne Bell. Also Brodix claims the stock cam, springs etc...will work fine with their heads.

[NYC LS8]

quote:Originally posted by JSev22:



Have you run the car? A set of sticky tires should get you there.....

REAL sticky tires...especially with a KB AND 3.73s. You'll be toasting the tires from a stop. :eek:

[LJS30]

That much power? Oh yea!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ryan Jackson]

I went back to the track yesterday my buddy has an 88 mustang gt he was kind enough to let me use his BBK fenderwall cold air intake I manually shifted everytime and I ran 15.5 @88 so what else can I do that is kinda inexpensive that will lower my time

[NYC LS8]

I guess I called it, fockers tongue.gif :D

[pro-five-oh]

Dang! Well I'm glad to see I was wrong!

LS: 3.73s are overkill if you go with a Kenne Bell. Stock cam is fine, will make it a real sleeper and a real nice place to spend time in traffic.

[ILL VII]

How inexpensive?

Best free/cheap mods are opening up your exhaust system (gut cats, remove air silencer, headers, home made cai, if you dont want to spend the money, etc)

Remove weight (all that bs insulation, underhood, trunk, under seats, etc)

Plugs, cap, rotor, wires, air, fuel, tuneup, etc.

Then u can always go to engine upgrades, trans/drivetrain upgrades, and so on, just depends on what you want to spend and what you want your car to be. ;)

[ILL VII]

NVM, i just saw you already removed your air silencer and added flowmasters.

Open up that exhaust and loose some weight, that'll get you started in the right direction.

[crazyjoelsc88]

so i'm just sittin here readin this...i guess i would wonder what my linc would do...its an 88 lsc...its got the 3.27 trac lock in the back...a few mods...listed in my signature...90k on the motor...any clues...think i could hit mid 15s...cause i've gone head to head against my buddies lt1 caprice...and i'll tell you...the lsc stood her ground...my buddy told me have was giving it everything...and his lt1 isn't completely stock...i always figured mid 16s was the norm for these cars...but i don't know...

[Ryan Jackson]

now I am curious did only the lsc have the 3.27 track loc someone hear said that I had a 3.08 open rearend. and joe if I hit 15.5 in a bill blass then I couldnt imagine what u could do, My friend has an 88 mustang gt and an 88 Iroc camaro I can stay right along side of him the whole time no matter which car he is driving both are stick shift the mustang has the same motor as my linc and the camaro has the 5.7liter 350 and hear is food for thought my car is about 1000 pounds heavier then his camaro and maybe almost 2000 pounds heavier then his mustang

[John Dancy]

quote:Originally posted by NYC LSC:
John - You went 15.5 @ 87 with just an ignition module, chip and a cold air intake..at least according to this:

http://www.fordvschevy.com/forum/member.php?&do=vehicledetails&userid=5070

:confused:
VERY TRUE! But that was with a 1989 LSC with less than 100,000 miles on the motor. Dude's signature tipped me off to the 16.25 because he has a "1988 Bill Blass mark 7 104,000 mi"

Like we discussed at breakfast, the Billy Blass didn't leave the factory with a 225hp motor until 1991. In 1988, he was pushing 200 hp unmodded. 17 years and 100,000 miles later, there is hp loss but Dude adds one intake mod and one exhaust mod and bingo, it's 1988 all over again.

If he beats 16.25 as modded above, I'll be a coffee buying fotherMucker smile.gif

[John Dancy]

quote:Originally posted by NYC LSC:

...
at least according to this:

http://www.fordvschevy.com/forum/member.php?&do=vehicledetails&userid=5070

:confused:
hehehe
I forgot. You have to add 200 pounds of weight due to the OldSchool FATTIES and stock 16" turbines all the way around smile.gif Yes, each wheel weighs about 50 pounds in that set up.

http://www.lscclub.org/cars/oldschool2/images/oldschool2021t.jpg (http://www.lscclub.org/cars/oldschool2/)

[John Dancy]

quote:Originally posted by Ryan Jackson:
I went back to the track yesterday my buddy has an 88 mustang gt he was kind enough to let me use his BBK fenderwall cold air intake I manually shifted everytime and I ran 15.5 @88 so what else can I do that is kinda inexpensive that will lower my time

:eek: :eek: :eek:

And how would you like your latte Sir?

[John Dancy]

quote:Originally posted by Ryan Jackson:
now I am curious did only the lsc have the 3.27 track loc someone hear said that I had a 3.08 open rearend. and joe if I hit 15.5 in a bill blass then I couldnt imagine what u could do, My friend has an 88 mustang gt and an 88 Iroc camaro I can stay right along side of him the whole time no matter which car he is driving both are stick shift the mustang has the same motor as my linc and the camaro has the 5.7liter 350 and hear is food for thought my car is about 1000 pounds heavier then his camaro and maybe almost 2000 pounds heavier then his mustang
Whoa Brother!
Way too many variables there!
Compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges and Mark VIIs to Mark VIIs.

[FOXBODY347MARK7]

As we all know, alot of things play a factor in the E.T.
Little free things can help alot @ the track. If you havent already, unhook your front swaybar for a better launch(especailly if ya got a tire smoker of the line). This will shift the weight to the rear of the car alot more. It wont hold as well in the corners but itle do good straight. Try runnin a short belt at the track. Hell stuff as little as takin your atenna off, and roolin up your windows(thats a big one) can make a difference. When i used to take my stang to the track, the wipers would even come off. This doesnt play a factor in the Marks cause our wipers drop below wind resistance. I would say these cars are good for 15s with miner bolt ons, and a computer tease ;) . I never would have thought the 302H.O. would carry a 4000#+ car so well. My freind really get a kick outta my bone stock (new to me) 89LSC barkin the tires @50mph into second gear. LOL 340,000 miles i cant get over that. :D

[JSev22]

Do you have more details on your track times? You must have kept the timeslip.

[John Dancy]

Hey Ryan.
Got slips?
http://lscclub.org/temp/20041119/

http://lscclub.org/temp/20041119/PB201093t.JPG (http://lscclub.org/temp/20041119/)

[NYC LS8]

http://home.si.rr.com/nyclsc/timeslips/13915.jpg

:D

[Ryan Jackson]

hey my car may have 104,000 miles on it but it was woman owned and driven after 50,000 miles and woa I found out some useful information that helped me understand a little better the first owner put a 3.73 in the rear I say this because I know for a fact the old woman didnt do it.
and as comparing apples and oranges they may not taste the same one maybe a little sweet and the other sour but I would have to say in the speed department all measure up and stand there ground if I can figure out how to get my slip to show up then I will post it

[AceFrehley03]

Timeslips would be appreciated smile.gif

And as far as your car being 2000 pounds heavier then a Mustang, you're not over 4000 (and if you are, not by much) which would put the 'stang at 2000? Nope. I think 3300-3400 is a safer bet, he's got about 400-500 pounds less then you.

My CRX is 1600 pounds. No way is a Mustang as heavy as a CRX. So you've got somethin other then weight going on there..

[NYC LS8]

Something doesn't add up with that Mustang and Camaro story - mainly the Camaro.

No 3rd gen Camaro (or Firebird) EVER came out of the factory with a 350/5 speed option. Stock automatic L98s (350 TPI) ran around 14.2s in the quarter. Gobs of torque down low, but nothing past 4500rpm.

Lining up a 15.5 car against an L98 Camaro shouldn't even be close. Either your friend was lied to about it being a 350, or the car needs some serious help.

And even if the Camaro was a 305 (LB9) with the 5 speed....they ran almost right with the 350/auto cars.

[Ryan Jackson]

Mr john dancy read this I do have the 225 hp mustang 5.0 ho I think you need to do some homework
http://blizzard.he.net/~foxbody/mark.html

and yes in 88 the iroc camaro did come with a 350 tpi and 5 spd I look at one just about every day in 88 that was the first yaer they allowed the 350 back I do not know everything but I will tell you what all the cars that I own or owned at one time I do my research

and horsepower loss how do you treat your car

[ June 28, 2005: Message edited by: Ryan Jackson ]

[Ryan Jackson]

MR Dancy thats ok you go ahead and keep your LATTE with extra whip cream I am no starbucks fan just a growing gearhead .


Regards Ryan

[NYC LS8]

quote:Originally posted by Ryan Jackson:
..and yes in 88 the iroc camaro did come with a 350 tpi and 5 spd I look at one just about every day in 88 that was the first yaer they allowed the 350 back I do not know everything but I will tell you what all the cars that I own or owned at one time I do my research

I think you better do some more research..

http://www.camarosource.ca/php/camaro_info_db/index.php?year=1988

I've got tons of friends that have these F-bodies (I've had a couple myself) and they NEVER came from the factory with the 350/T-5 option. Never.

[NYC LS8]

One more for ya:

http://thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthread.php?s=&threadid=233781

[franco]

'89's had the 5 spd 350.

Maybe you remember the '89 model when it was released in mid to late '88.

[NYC LS8]

There were NEVER 350/T-5 cars from the factory. The two links I posted above explain that.

If it IS a 350/T-5, it's been done by a previous owner, not the factory.

[pro-five-oh]

I have never seen a 5spd 350, nor have I seen documentation on one. One guy had a Trans Am he thought was a 5-spd 350, I opened the hood and showed him it was a 305. Really killed him to read the emissions sticker. smile.gif

[franco]

Didn't see the links, just going by memory.
Could have sworn I sold a few of those 5spds back then...many moons ago.

[pro-five-oh]

Going from memory here too, and I think they had an optional TPI 305, which looks the same under the hood. Until you read the emissions sticker.

[NYC LS8]

That's what the 'LB9' that I mentioned is, Pro - 305 TPI. smile.gif

The link from www.thirdgen.org (http://www.thirdgen.org) explains about the VIN numbers and such.

[pro-five-oh]

Yeah yeah, fine make me read everything! tongue.gif

I have a hard enough time remembering all the engine codes for the fast GM motors...you want me to remember the turds too? ;)

[NYC LS8]

There's only ONE fast GM motor - the LS1. Not all that hard to remember tongue.gif lol

[pro-five-oh]

quote:Originally posted by John Dancy:
Like we discussed at breakfast, the Billy Blass didn't leave the factory with a 225hp motor until 1991. In 1988, he was pushing 200 hp unmodded.

The BB's got the LSC suspension and wheels in 1991. All Marks got the 225hp 5.0HO in 1988. Pay attention! tongue.gif

quote:Originally posted by NYC LSC:
There's only ONE fast GM motor - the LS1. Not all that hard to remember tongue.gif lol

Ummm, the LS6...or maybe the new 7.0L LS7? tongue.gif

[ June 28, 2005: Message edited by: pro-five-oh ]

[NYC LS8]

Oh whatever :D tongue.gif

[2manymarks]

I was reading John Dancey's post
"Like we discussed at breakfast, the Billy Blass didn't leave the factory with a 225hp motor until 1991. In 1988, he was pushing 200 hp unmodded."
I don't know where this is coming from because looking here at the 1988, 1989 and 1990 Dealer Brochures, the only specification there is for any Mark VII is the 225HPHO engine. The 1987 brochure is the last one that gave two different engines, a 200HP HO for the LSC and a 150HP for the Bill Blass and Base model Mark VII.

[Ryan Jackson]

I never said anything anout the camaro being stock it is a borg warner 5 spd trans

[JSev22]

quote:Originally posted by Ryan Jackson:
hey my car may have 104,000 miles on it but it was woman owned and driven after 50,000 miles and woa I found out some useful information that helped me understand a little better the first owner put a 3.73 in the rear I say this because I know for a fact the old woman didnt do it.
and as comparing apples and oranges they may not taste the same one maybe a little sweet and the other sour but I would have to say in the speed department all measure up and stand there ground if I can figure out how to get my slip to show up then I will post it


I thought the car was bone stock? How did you figure out it has 3.73's in it? Sorry man but a lot of your 'facts' aren't adding up. Take a digital picture of the timeslip or scan it and I will host it for you for all to see.

[NYC LS8]

quote:Originally posted by Ryan Jackson:
I never said anything anout the camaro being stock it is a borg warner 5 spd trans

quote:Originally posted by Ryan Jackson:
and yes in 88 the iroc camaro did come with a 350 tpi and 5 spd I look at one just about every day in 88 that was the first yaer they allowed the 350 back I do not know everything but I will tell you what all the cars that I own or owned at one time I do my research

You may not have said "stock", but you said - quite confidently - that it did come with it, which to me means "stock".

[Vitas]

Does any one know what a current Police Interceptor engine would do in 0-60 and the 1/4 mile?

[John Dancy]

quote:Originally posted by Ryan Jackson:

...
the first owner put a 3.73 in the rear
...

Shenanigans (http://www.southpark.dsl.pipex.com/scripts/scr213.shtml)! Shenanigans (http://www.southpark.dsl.pipex.com/scripts/scr213.shtml)!

I call Shenanigans (http://www.southpark.dsl.pipex.com/scripts/scr213.shtml) on you Ryan Jackson!

My bet was based on a 1988 Lincoln mark VII Bill Blass with a stock transaxle and NOT a modified 3.73 to 1 ratio gear.

[John Dancy]

quote:Originally posted by AceFrehley03:
Timeslips would be appreciated smile.gif

And as far as your car being 2000 pounds heavier then a Mustang, you're not over 4000 (and if you are, not by much) which would put the 'stang at 2000? Nope. I think 3300-3400 is a safer bet, he's got about 400-500 pounds less then you.

My CRX is 1600 pounds. No way is a Mustang as heavy as a CRX. So you've got somethin other then weight going on there..

Info sticker from a 1988 Bill Blass.
(Click to enlarge)
http://www.lscclub.org/lincolnmarkvii/billblass/images/billblass-008t.jpg (http://www.lscclub.org/lincolnmarkvii/billblass/images/billblass-008.jpg)

[John Dancy]

quote:Originally posted by Ryan Jackson:
Mr john dancy read this I do have the 225 hp mustang 5.0 ho I think you need to do some homework
http://blizzard.he.net/~foxbody/mark.html
Hi Ryan.
Gee.
You're right.
I'd better do my homework.
What's the eighth character in your Vehicle Identification Number?
quote:Originally posted by Ryan Jackson:
and yes in 88 the iroc camaro did come with a 350 tpi and 5 spd I look at one just about every day in 88 that was the first yaer they allowed the 350 back I do not know everything but I will tell you what all the cars that I own or owned at one time I do my research

and horsepower loss how do you treat your car

[ June 28, 2005: Message edited by: Ryan Jackson ]

hmmm

[John Dancy]

quote:Originally posted by Ryan Jackson:
MR Dancy thats ok you go ahead and keep your LATTE with extra whip cream I am no starbucks fan just a growing gearhead .


Regards Ryan
hehehe

We're gonna have some fun times Ryan.

Some fun times indeed.

[John Dancy]

quote:Originally posted by pro-five-oh:
Yeah yeah, fine make me read everything! tongue.gif

I have a hard enough time remembering all the engine codes for the fast GM motors...you want me to remember the turds too? ;)

While it's on my mind ... would you publish the four engine codes for our Marks and what they stood for?

I think they were:
E
F
L
M

I'm getting old and forgetful.

I'm getting old and forgetful.

[John Dancy]

quote:Originally posted by pro-five-oh:


The BB's got the LSC suspension and wheels in 1991. All Marks got the 225hp 5.0HO in 1988. Pay attention!


Whoops.
That does it.
I'm buying a 1988 Bill Blass!

[John Dancy]

quote:Originally posted by 2manymarks:
I was reading John Dancey's post
"Like we discussed at breakfast, the Billy Blass didn't leave the factory with a 225hp motor until 1991. In 1988, he was pushing 200 hp unmodded."
I don't know where this is coming from
...

Yup.
I've been spanked REAL GOOD on that blurb.

I mixed engines with suspensions and inserted foot into mouth.

I now have been corrected twice smile.gif

Boy this crow is getting tastier and tastier.

[LJS30]

Man everyone knows the 1988 BB had the 225 5.0 HO. :mad:

[Ryan Jackson]

I took the car to Pats Frame and Axle griffith Indiana cuz I felt something just isnt right I had recently test drove a 88 bill blass that I had planned on buying driving it just didnt feel the same as my blass anyway they took a looksy and told me that there is an after market gear 3.73 in it the previos owner being an older woman I very well doubt that she would put something like that in the car I mean she wouldnt even know what it would do to the car so my guess is first owner

[pro-five-oh]

quote:Originally posted by Vitas:
Does any one know what a current Police Interceptor engine would do in 0-60 and the 1/4 mile?
http://www.pfmmag.com/NovDec04/Julyaugustmichstate.htm

[Vitas]

Acceleration
The Ford CVPI with the 3.55 ratio rear axle was the quickest police or special service sedan to 60 mph, 80 mph and 100 mph, which are the three MSP focus speeds.

---------------

Now if that engine was an option on the Lincoln Town Car...

The "Interceptor"...Lincoln...

[pro-five-oh]

Except for the 3.55 axle, I don't think there's a lick of difference between the two motors. A 2004 TC feels way faster than a 2000 model.

[Vitas]

quote:Originally posted by pro-five-oh:
A 2004 TC feels way faster than a 2000 model.

There is a perceptible rumble in that engine.

Not enough.

[John Dancy]

Hi Ryan.

Did you find your slips yet?

[JSev22]

Here's mine :D

http://www.fordvschevy.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12858

[ July 03, 2005: Message edited by: JSev22 ]

[NYC LS8]

That doesn't match up with the time in yer sig.

I call bullshit.


:D

[JSev22]

LOL! I guess I never updated it....here ya go, do I need a penny in the shot?

http://www.markvii-lsc.com/images/new0320.jpg

[ July 04, 2005: Message edited by: JSev22 ]

[NYC LS8]

Nope. Good stuff.

Timeslip Nazi ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut! :D

[John Dancy]

quote:Originally posted by NYC LSC:
That doesn't match up with the time in yer sig.

I call bullshit.


:D

hehehe Two things;

1) Say SHINANIGANS ... it's more PC
2) You ain't right in the head.

[John Dancy]

quote:Originally posted by JSev22:
LOL! I guess I never updated it....here ya go, do I need a penny in the shot?

http://www.markvii-lsc.com/images/new0320.jpg

[ July 04, 2005: Message edited by: JSev22 ]

Yeah.
How dare you show us OLD timeslips!

John "Ain't-Been-To-The-Track-This-Year" Dancy

[JSev22]

I finally got out early on the only night that Lebanon Valley is open and it started raining as soon as I got home :( I was going to break the queens cherry :D :D :D

[2manymarks]

I didn't want to start a new thread, but did want to post the data I have from running my stock 89 LSC at the SSHS6 down at Commerce, GA on 11/4/06.

It was a nice cool day and my car and I weighed 4080#. I had too much gas in the tank (2/3-3/4 tank) and hadn't removed the spare or mats etc. It's been near about 50 years since I was on a dragstrip, so all was pretty new.

I got to make three runs and all three were 88.29-88.85 mph at 16.156-15.845-15.762. I thought the reaction times weren't too bad for an old guy: .042-.285-.511. I was just getting the feel of it but there were too many delays to really work at it.

I gotta tell you also, that I have never done a tuneup on that car in the 35,000 miles I have had it and it normally runs 87 octane, but I added about 14 gal of 93 to fill it, then drove out about 1/4-1/3 of a tank before racing. I'll do a tuneup now and it will probably run worse. I hate to mess with a good thing.

(I posted from the thread my search turned up and wasn't aware it was on the MODIFIED forum until it came up-moderator please reposition as it is STOCK)

[NYC LS8]

Good stuff, Jerry, and nice times :)

[xrcrx]

NYC-you're absolutely right, the 350 TPI F-bodies never got a manual trans. Only the Vettes. Kits are readily available for a swap, though the 6-spd is getting more popular. I'd have to disagree that the LS series is the only one, The TPI cars more than held their own back in the day, the LT-1's are still good performers with the LT-4's able to hang with the new stuff, The ZR-1 is and was expensive but it's still a world class performer, not bad for 15 years old or so. I know a couple of guys that both road and drag race theirs. And my trusty L-83 surprised an 89 5spd Mustang(only mod was the cold air intake and ditched inner fender silencer)twice at Raceway Park-just thought I'd stir the pot a bit w/some GM speak!:) There was a LSC that cut a mid 15 but I didn't get to talk to him. It was a white 90 model.

[91MochafrostLSC]

I'm a little late to this party but it seems as though Mr. Dancy is slipping in his Mark knowledge....can't keep up anymore or what:) My '88 Blass has the HO engine, haven't checked out the VIN but I'd bet it's a E.

Just had to harass ya a little John!

As the song goes..."What a drag it is getting old"......

[2manymarks]

I'm a little late to this party but it seems as though Mr. Dancy is slipping in his Mark knowledge....can't keep up anymore or what:) My '88 Blass has the HO engine, haven't checked out the VIN but I'd bet it's a E.

Just had to harass ya a little John!

As the song goes..."What a drag it is getting old"......


Be nice, man....he's 44 now.

[91MochafrostLSC]

Uh-oh! he's gettin' to the top of that hill!. Hell of it is, I ain't too far behind him!