98 conti 80mm Mass Air!

[cherron3us]

Well today I embarked on another Lincoln adventure, Took the mass air out to see the size and configuration. It's exactly what comes on 96-98 Cobras 80mm plastic mass air with a plastic useless seperator in the middle. Well on mustang sites in tech sections they claim seat in the pants gains by removing this seperator. Long story short, I did it, and its well worth it. More seat in the pants than removing air silencer and K&N upgrade. I'd say 8-10 hp, and 10-15 lbs torque. Definitly more torque than horse. I'll post pics soon. Underdrives Soon.

[Nick]

I will have to try this! :D

[pro-five-oh]

Somebody take pictures of this so we can have it in the TECH section! Wow!

[cherron3us]

Ok a revised hp is 5-10hp and 8-12 lbs of torque. This hasn't thrown any codes yet either.

[cherron3us]

I will take some pics this weekend for all of you. Ordered the underdrives, thats the next project, then 3rd muffler delete and magnaflows SS.

[pro-five-oh]

If ya got the time, could you write up what you did in Microsoft Word and email it to the webmaster? This would make a great TECH article for our permanent archives.

I love free and simple HP upgrades.

[cherron3us]

Sure I'll do it this weekend should I attach pics as well?

[pro-five-oh]

What I do is send an email with the word doc and the pics separately. Put name of the pic (maf.jpg) in the body of the word doc, in the location you'd like to see it. A few days later, your words are immortalized in the TECH section!

Looking forward to it! smile.gif

[cherron3us]

This Weekend was just to cold to work on the tech article. I'll try this coming up weekend guys.

[pro-five-oh]

We'd love to have it, but no need to freeze to do it! The Continental tech section is a little light and this will be a great addition. smile.gif

[cherron3us]

Ok I will get this done but it will take a while. I'm looking in to the air fuel ratio, with the extra air from the punched mass air. Horsepower and torque confirmations via gtech 15HP and 22lbs torque. Soon my Lincoln fanatics! I love killing ricers with this car!!!!

[pro-five-oh]

Your A/F ratio should be fine. The computer will compensate for that increase in air. You have 24lb-hr injectors which can dump more than enough fuel for your power level.

Port the heads and put a supercharger on there, then ya got a problem. I really want a Conti again just to see what you guys can run with them! ;)

[mlalincoln]

Cherron3us,
That sounds like something I might try with my 97. Did you notice any MPG increase with this also? Does it feel more powerful in the upper RPM's or lower RPM's. Also with the underdives you mention in your first post. Wouldn't that be risky with all the electrical controls on these cars? Ex: heated seats, rear defrogger etc. etc.

[CobraConti]

yeah this can be good or bad. I would have loved if this guy would have stayed on the board and reported his long term driveability.

Here's the deal (from my Mustang forum experience): This mod does increase power and people do it. The problem is..........sometimes the factory computer doesn't know how to adjust and you have driveabiltiy problems big time. Its really a crapshoot (at least in the mustang world). They only recommend doing this if you are gonna get a chip because as long as you can tune the computer than this is a great mod, everybody agrees. It was seriously along the odds of 10 Mustang guys did it (for example) and 5 had no problems whatsoever and got good gains and the other 5 things went horribly wrong and they were looking on ebay for a stock MAF. That is why I wished that guy would have stayed on the board long enough to see how it was going. I see he did post 8 days after the initial post and he didn't say anything bad. Apparently if things go bad you WILL KNOW in about 1 day when the car doesn't want to idle and runs like shit. Maybe our computers have the air/fuel maps that can cover this??

I am SERIOUSLY considering just fu(king doing this sometime this week. I have thought about this for almost 6 months and stock MAFs are only ~$40 on ebay so Im out 40 if something goes wrong.

Oh, no write up needed..........already exists: http://www.corral.net/tech/powerplant/mafgut.htm

Thoughts/concerns?

[pro-five-oh]

Oh, no write up needed..........already exists: http://www.corral.net/tech/powerplant/mafgut.htm

Thoughts/concerns?

Nice article. I have zero concerns because I think (delusional, I know) one of the computer's fuel tables will work well with the extra MAF flow.

If you take pics of the job on a Conti tube (R&R is a little different) I can write up a nice article for it. Just a matter of documenting it for future owners so they won't fear to modify these beasties.

FWIW, cherron is selling his Conti right now in the classifieds, you can PM him and ask how its runs these days.

[CobraConti]

ok, I PM'ed Cherron about this and maybe he will write back. He has a 98 and I have a 95...........doesn't he have the 275 horse? He might have more/better fuel maps than my 95. Uh oh. I got my dealer to flash the computer in Aug. 05 so it has all hte updates till then. Would that help?

[pro-five-oh]

Uh oh. I got my dealer to flash the computer in Aug. 05 so it has all hte updates till then. Would that help?

Probably won't make a difference. The curves probably weren't even touched with the reflashing.

Considering the old EEC-IV system was so stout that it could run smoothly with over 50% of its sensors disconnected I seriously doubt you'll have any problem.

Actually I need to check the MAF on my Mark, I think its the same design and I need to cut it out too. :)

[JoshMcMadMac]

Actually I need to check the MAF on my Mark, I think its the same design and I need to cut it out too. :)

I was wondering about that. You'll have to let us know!

[CobraConti]

well Cherron finally replied back in email and this was his response:

It ran fine, make sure you disconnect your battery
cables when you do it. The car must relearn the fuel
metering. Gains are about 10-15 HP and an honest 30
ft lbs of torque. Hope this helps.

Thanks,
Chris

So thats it! All systems go! I need for it to stop raining and to go get the right Dremel bits
Then it's on! :cheer::jump:

[conti2.0]

I hate to bring back a thread thats this old but is this doable? i wasnt able to find anything in the tech articles and im looking for a little extra kick at low cost (who isnt)

[Lucid484]

I hate to bring back a thread thats this old but is this doable? i wasnt able to find anything in the tech articles and im looking for a little extra kick at low cost (who isnt)

Same here I love my 97 Conti and anything to give her more power and cheap modability would be fantastic!!!

[pro-five-oh]

I hate to bring back a thread thats this old but is this doable? i wasnt able to find anything in the tech articles and im looking for a little extra kick at low cost (who isnt)

Do it, but get a spare one from the junkyard. 99% sure the Mark VIII and Conti use the same meter. Just get the entire airbox and tube, its in there.

I did it to my Mark VIII and loved it.Zero problems, but I have a full exhaust including headers. I got 15hp extra to the wheels...and the MAF gutted was a BIG part of that.

[Lucid484]

Do it, but get a spare one from the junkyard. 99% sure the Mark VIII and Conti use the same meter. Just get the entire airbox and tube, its in there.

I did it to my Mark VIII and loved it.Zero problems, but I have a full exhaust including headers. I got 15hp extra to the wheels...and the MAF gutted was a BIG part of that.

are there any aftermaket headers for the continental?? i sure with headers,MAF,full exhaust with high flow cats and an ECU tune the conti could put down some impressive numbers

[pro-five-oh]

are there any aftermaket headers for the continental?? i sure with headers,MAF,full exhaust with high flow cats and an ECU tune the conti could put down some impressive numbers

Supposedly Mustang shorty headers will fit, if you make a whole new exhaust to match it. Maybe the Mark VIII "mid-length" headers will fit too, who knows.

Power? It will be like my Mark VIII...it will make 328hp and 335lb-ft of torque.

[Lucid484]

Supposedly Mustang shorty headers will fit, if you make a whole new exhaust to match it. Maybe the Mark VIII "mid-length" headers will fit too, who knows.

Power? It will be like my Mark VIII...it will make 328hp and 335lb-ft of torque.

See those numbers right there are exactly what im looing for in my car.A nice powerful luxury sedan with a deep V8 growl! :woot:

leaving th club in the city last night and gave it a little throttle...squeeled the tires and everyone on both sides of the street were cheering and going "Nice Lincoln!!"

[pro-five-oh]

Yup, yup. Don't be surprised if you need a new tranny (with upgraded parts) too.

[pro-five-oh]

Oh and if the Conti has the same unit as the Mark VIII, its an 80mm inlet and an 81mm outlet. No need for aftermarket MAFs that cost an arm and a leg, that's for sure.


NOTE: remember I like this modification because I had a full exhaust to go with. Your results may vary.