kr98664
December 12th, 2002, 02:19 PM
Greetings from a new guy. I recently purchased a '96 Continental which has had a sporadically reoccuring "Service Engine Soon" light. I would appreciate any help from the great minds here. According to my code reader, it is a P0306 fault, meaning misfire detected on #6 cylinder. There are no other codes present. I'm using an Equus 3100 Code Reader which is supposed to be able to retrieve manufacturer specific codes in addition to the generic OBD II items:
Equus 3100 OBD II Code Reader (http://www.iequus.com/3100.asp?catshort=3100)
It is possible there are some other codes present that this reader can't pick up, but I don't know for sure.
This car has a bit of a history. Purchased used from a local dealer, the "Service Engine Soon" light was on and to be repaired under warranty. Expecting something simple like an O2 sensor, etc., imagine everybody's surprise to discover low compression in #6 cylinder. Lots of carbon was found in the combustion chambers, with the result that one of the 4 valves in #6 cylinder failed to seat properly and was burnt. A valve job, fortunately under warranty, took care of the compression problem. The carbon build-up was explained as symptomatic of a powerful engine that spent much of its life loafing. I've made it a point to drive this hot-rod at full throttle every now and then, in the name of science of course.
Shortly after the repairs, the light came back on a few times over the course of several weeks. Each time it was handled promptly under warranty. I know that an O2 sensor (not sure which one) and the EGR back-pressure transducer were changed.
Enough time has passed that the car is no longer under warranty. In addition, I'm stubborn enough to think I can figure this one out with some careful troubleshooting. The shop that performed the work (contracted by the dealer) has been extremely helpful but I hate to wear out my welcome after several months. Other than the O2 sensor and EGR transducer faults which didn't return, they found no other codes (using a Snap-On scanner) besides the P0306.
As far as the infamous EGR passage, I do NOT know if that has been cleaned out yet. The car has 114K miles, so it likely needs it. I do not know if the EGR passage would have been visually inspected when the heads were off. It is entirely possible they were never checked depending how much disassembly was needed during the valve job. I do plan to check and clean this passage but would appreciate further guidance. From what I understand, I'd have other codes besides the P0306 if this passage was entirely at fault.
The symptoms include a very light chugging in the 1500-2000 RPM range with the throttle just off-idle. This is sporadic and does not always happen. There is no problem under heavy acceleration, only off-idle in that RPM range when under a light load. The tach needle stays steady when the problem happens. When coasting, climbing a slight upgrade (or steeper) or above 2000 RPM, the chugging promptly quits. There is a definate change precisely at 2000 RPM. The chugging feels almost like a torque converter abruptly locking/unlocking or transmission hunting between gears. (Shifting out of overdrive didn't help) It feels a little more pronounced than a single cylinder misfiring, which I doubt I'd be able to feel. Occasionally, the idle is not as smooth as other other times, but I wouldn't call it rough by any means.
According to the factory manual, the only parameter that trips a misfire code is if the crankshaft speed sensor doesn't detect the normal increase in RPM after the power stroke for each respective cylinder. In other words, #6 cylinder isn't doing its share of the work compared with the others. This condition must be detected on two consecutive legs before the light comes on, to avoid nuisance indications.
I've been following the factory manual, but am a bit handicapped without a $2000 NGS scanner/tester. I've tried to extrapolate the various corrective actions based on what I can deduce, which is possibly leading me astray. The most likely culprit, based on a P0306 code by itself, was a bad fuel injector. The shop also thought this was the most likely culprit should the problem return. Since the problem was so intermittent, I swapped #6 and #8 injectors for troubleshooting. The code did NOT follow the injector, hopefully ruling out a set of injectors. The inlet screen was clean on each injector and I've been careful to only run 92 octance Texaco fuel. Presently I lack a tester to check the fuel pressure, but would think this was not the problem based on a fault for a single cylinder.
The manual also pointed to the ignition system. Interestingly, the ignition system uses a double-strike pattern in certain conditions under 2000 RPM, which seems to jive with the chugging I've experienced. As previously mentioned, there is an abrupt end to the chugging precisely at 2000 RPM. Without being able to test the hi-tension waveform, I swapped the two coil packs and still had the P0306 code. New plugs were installed with the valve job. I confirmed the correct effectivity and swapped plugs #5 and #6, still no change. I also found #6 plug wire misrouted parallel to #5. Rerouting that plug wire per the manual's illustration was no help, either. Unfortunately, each plug wire is a specific length so I can't swap them for troubleshooting. The plug wires have a 1996 date code, making them suspect. I did try checking for broken down insulation with the water spray method but no change.
Sorry for setting a forum record for the longest post. I don't mind spending money for a definitive fix but am averse to throwing parts at a problem until it hopefully goes away. Since the problem is so intermittent, I was hoping to be able to track it down with some careful troubleshooting. At this point, my plans are to inspect/clean the EGR passage, double-check compression and possibly a set of plug wires. Would anybody recommend a new EGR valve while I'm at it? I also have the procedure to check whether or not the EGR back-pressure transducer is seeing normal values.
Once again, sorry to have babbled on so long. I like to make sure all information is available to anybody interested. I couldn't find anything similar in the archives. I'll let everybody know what happens after inspecting the EGR passage. Perhaps there are two separate problems, i.e. a bad plug wire causing the misfire code, and a restricted EGR system that causes the chugging but isn't quite bad enough to set a separate code.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions,
Karl w/ a '96 Continental
Vancouver, WA
Equus 3100 OBD II Code Reader (http://www.iequus.com/3100.asp?catshort=3100)
It is possible there are some other codes present that this reader can't pick up, but I don't know for sure.
This car has a bit of a history. Purchased used from a local dealer, the "Service Engine Soon" light was on and to be repaired under warranty. Expecting something simple like an O2 sensor, etc., imagine everybody's surprise to discover low compression in #6 cylinder. Lots of carbon was found in the combustion chambers, with the result that one of the 4 valves in #6 cylinder failed to seat properly and was burnt. A valve job, fortunately under warranty, took care of the compression problem. The carbon build-up was explained as symptomatic of a powerful engine that spent much of its life loafing. I've made it a point to drive this hot-rod at full throttle every now and then, in the name of science of course.
Shortly after the repairs, the light came back on a few times over the course of several weeks. Each time it was handled promptly under warranty. I know that an O2 sensor (not sure which one) and the EGR back-pressure transducer were changed.
Enough time has passed that the car is no longer under warranty. In addition, I'm stubborn enough to think I can figure this one out with some careful troubleshooting. The shop that performed the work (contracted by the dealer) has been extremely helpful but I hate to wear out my welcome after several months. Other than the O2 sensor and EGR transducer faults which didn't return, they found no other codes (using a Snap-On scanner) besides the P0306.
As far as the infamous EGR passage, I do NOT know if that has been cleaned out yet. The car has 114K miles, so it likely needs it. I do not know if the EGR passage would have been visually inspected when the heads were off. It is entirely possible they were never checked depending how much disassembly was needed during the valve job. I do plan to check and clean this passage but would appreciate further guidance. From what I understand, I'd have other codes besides the P0306 if this passage was entirely at fault.
The symptoms include a very light chugging in the 1500-2000 RPM range with the throttle just off-idle. This is sporadic and does not always happen. There is no problem under heavy acceleration, only off-idle in that RPM range when under a light load. The tach needle stays steady when the problem happens. When coasting, climbing a slight upgrade (or steeper) or above 2000 RPM, the chugging promptly quits. There is a definate change precisely at 2000 RPM. The chugging feels almost like a torque converter abruptly locking/unlocking or transmission hunting between gears. (Shifting out of overdrive didn't help) It feels a little more pronounced than a single cylinder misfiring, which I doubt I'd be able to feel. Occasionally, the idle is not as smooth as other other times, but I wouldn't call it rough by any means.
According to the factory manual, the only parameter that trips a misfire code is if the crankshaft speed sensor doesn't detect the normal increase in RPM after the power stroke for each respective cylinder. In other words, #6 cylinder isn't doing its share of the work compared with the others. This condition must be detected on two consecutive legs before the light comes on, to avoid nuisance indications.
I've been following the factory manual, but am a bit handicapped without a $2000 NGS scanner/tester. I've tried to extrapolate the various corrective actions based on what I can deduce, which is possibly leading me astray. The most likely culprit, based on a P0306 code by itself, was a bad fuel injector. The shop also thought this was the most likely culprit should the problem return. Since the problem was so intermittent, I swapped #6 and #8 injectors for troubleshooting. The code did NOT follow the injector, hopefully ruling out a set of injectors. The inlet screen was clean on each injector and I've been careful to only run 92 octance Texaco fuel. Presently I lack a tester to check the fuel pressure, but would think this was not the problem based on a fault for a single cylinder.
The manual also pointed to the ignition system. Interestingly, the ignition system uses a double-strike pattern in certain conditions under 2000 RPM, which seems to jive with the chugging I've experienced. As previously mentioned, there is an abrupt end to the chugging precisely at 2000 RPM. Without being able to test the hi-tension waveform, I swapped the two coil packs and still had the P0306 code. New plugs were installed with the valve job. I confirmed the correct effectivity and swapped plugs #5 and #6, still no change. I also found #6 plug wire misrouted parallel to #5. Rerouting that plug wire per the manual's illustration was no help, either. Unfortunately, each plug wire is a specific length so I can't swap them for troubleshooting. The plug wires have a 1996 date code, making them suspect. I did try checking for broken down insulation with the water spray method but no change.
Sorry for setting a forum record for the longest post. I don't mind spending money for a definitive fix but am averse to throwing parts at a problem until it hopefully goes away. Since the problem is so intermittent, I was hoping to be able to track it down with some careful troubleshooting. At this point, my plans are to inspect/clean the EGR passage, double-check compression and possibly a set of plug wires. Would anybody recommend a new EGR valve while I'm at it? I also have the procedure to check whether or not the EGR back-pressure transducer is seeing normal values.
Once again, sorry to have babbled on so long. I like to make sure all information is available to anybody interested. I couldn't find anything similar in the archives. I'll let everybody know what happens after inspecting the EGR passage. Perhaps there are two separate problems, i.e. a bad plug wire causing the misfire code, and a restricted EGR system that causes the chugging but isn't quite bad enough to set a separate code.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions,
Karl w/ a '96 Continental
Vancouver, WA