What do you think of the MKZ/Zephyr?

[Wolfe_83Conti]

What say you? I want to keep track of the numerous opinions, since the other threads have been going in all directions at once about this hot-button car. I promise I'll shut up this time, and somebody besides me gets the first vote.

[Dana_15]

I really like the one my wife got, we have no real complaints at all. The interior is very nice and the exterior is different, we get a lot of stares and whenever we park we always get stopped by people asking questions. The only problems I have is that I am used to driving a truck so my complaints are probabley unjustified (it sits low, hood too big etc), but my head does hit the roof right above the windhshield sometimes and it is a little under powered, but for the price it is very well made.....my .02 cents.

[pro-five-oh]

Mixing Zephyr with MKZ comments together isn't entirely fair. The MK Z will be around for a lot longer (hopefully) and is a far superior vehicle in the performance department.

[Wolfe_83Conti]

I thought they were the same car. Oops :p

[cason1]

Doesn't deserve the Zephyr name but doesn't seem to be too bad a car.

[pro-five-oh]

I thought they were the same car. Oops :p

Nah. The added 40-ish HP and AWD will make it a totally different performing vehicle. (probably) Well, maybe enough for me to whine about your poll putting both together. :p

[JoshMcMadMac]

They are cool. Let's just hope it does something to help pull Lincoln out of this nose dive and it doesn't get axed like the LS.

[GorgeZeph]

Why is this even a poll??????

I don't see any polls on the LS (6 or 8) of the Mark LT..... Why does this car push so many buttons with some of the folks??? Is it that they see the future in MKZ and are scared????

I know this poll will be biased. I see it in all of the bashing in this forum. Maybe there should be a newLincolnsOnline for owners of the next generation........ Seems like a fair complaint considering what I've endured about my Zephyr the last few months........

[cason1]

The Mark LT pisses off so many people, nobody even mentions it.;) The LS has proven itself to be a good performer and is available with a V-8, plus it is RWD!! The problem most people have with the Zephyr is that it is a small V-6 FWD car not unlike the 88-94 Conti and they aren't too popular either with the traditionalists amongst us but they do have their faithful. Look at Steve Moran!! He has what 2 or 3 of them.:eek: As I've said before, It isn't so much the car I don't like, it's that they called it a Lincoln Zephyr. If it brings more people to the Lincoln brand then that's great. That's what Ford needs but to kill the LS and the Towncar and build only FWD or FWD based AWD cars is a very sh!tty way for Ford to try to bail out Lincoln and it simply won't work. Look at what was the competition, Caddy is now going back to RWD, Chrysler is going RWD and Ford decides that after all this time of Lincolns being RWD that they need to do what didn't work for the other companies and make all Lincoln cars FWD?? It just doesn't make any sense.:dunno: I for one am glad you like and enjoy your Zephyr. That is one up for Ford but personally, I wouldn't buy one. I have done the small FWD thing and wouldn't do it again.

[GorgeZeph]

So, let's say your opinion prevails, what have you won????

Will you drop the bashing, safe in the knowledge that you're right???? I doubt it.

Why can't the folks that hate my car just tune out? If you go to a Zephyr page, you expect to hear positive comments. Change the channel if you don't like the show.....

The Zephyr has been over bashed. Enough is enough! Stop the insanity!!!

[Wolfe_83Conti]

Why is this even a poll??????

I don't see any polls on the LS (6 or 8) of the Mark LT..... Why does this car push so many buttons with some of the folks??? Is it that they see the future in MKZ and are scared????

I know this poll will be biased. I see it in all of the bashing in this forum. Maybe there should be a newLincolnsOnline for owners of the next generation........ Seems like a fair complaint considering what I've endured about my Zephyr the last few months........

To answer your question as to the reason I opened a poll about this car, I wanted to get reaction from everyone; owners, detractors, promoters, and so on. Judging by your comments here, I have succeeded in procuring a valid opinion from an owner, for which I greatly appreciate the input.

That is the material point behind this poll: input. A simple Yes/No commentary on what one thinks about this car, along with a statistical graph to quickly see the results without spending a lot of time wading through comments when one is in a hurry (say, on a lunch hour).

Also, I am trying to give satisfied owners a place to show support for their cars, both in threads and on the poll. Some folks understand numbers better than words, and that is why I did that. I am not using this as a place to further slander a car. I simply wish to hear feedback. Judging from the postings I've read here, again, I am succeeding in my endeavor.

I am not intending this as a place to insult the car. I have been refraining from any further posts on the Zephyr because after having my own car vandalized, I can feel a similar protectiveness to one's vehicles. I will not be posting any opinions in this thread, just trying to moderate it. Also, I wish to ask that any further personal outbursts be done over the PM to keep this thread somewhat organized.

Thank you.

P.S. GorgeZeph, your dedication to your car is admirable. Please take good care of it and enjoy your Lincoln as much as I enjoy mine. I am sincere in this.

[Philip]

Why is this even a poll??????

I don't see any polls on the LS (6 or 8) of the Mark LT..... Why does this car push so many buttons with some of the folks??? Is it that they see the future in MKZ and are scared????

I know this poll will be biased. I see it in all of the bashing in this forum. Maybe there should be a newLincolnsOnline for owners of the next generation........ Seems like a fair complaint considering what I've endured about my Zephyr the last few months........

I have to ask myself why so many people who should be forward-thinking are so opposed to change. Hey I love my car, but don't think I haven't been looking to the inevitable future replacement. It's no secret I think the Zephyr (and any future iterations of this car) is a great value and my logical choice for a new car eventually. I wouldn't get too bent out of shape over the "car bashing." If you'll notice, it's mostly from people driving way older models and there's probably more than a touch of envy there. I've found it to be true in my life that if I'm doing something well or doing something right, people will criticize, and it is generally because they are not doing the same. You just have to live your life to your satisfaction because ultimately you are the only person you have to make happy. Enjoy your Zephyr - there are few things as surrealistic as the experience of owning a new vehicle, whatever it may be.

[cason1]

Well I can say from experience, there isn't the slightest hint of envy here. The only thing Lincoln has out right now that I would consider are the Navigator and the Aviator but since the Aviator is gone next year and the Navi is getting a butt ugly makeover, there will no longer be ANY new Lincoln that I would buy. I drive an older car because I prefer it to any car Lincoln has. I hate the 98+ Towncar, never been too keen on the LS styling, Zeph is FWD and the Mark LT is a rolling joke. I test drove one, would rather have the F-150. As far as car for the money, I don't think it is a great value considering you can get a well equipped Towncar for right in the neighborhood of a base to slighly equipped Zephyr, it ain't that great a deal. One of the local dealerships was advertising new 05's starting at $25k and new 06's starting at $29k. It may have been a special "sale" that they were advertising for but they can and do sell them for those prices all the time to move stock.

[Wolfe_83Conti]

Since the Zephyr forum has been recently tidied up, I think most of the owner threads got shuffled away as well. SO, I want to see more Zephyr owners posting! You own Lincolns! Vote! Make yourselves heard! I honestly thought I'd see more comments!

Note: I told the system to make the poll results 'numbers only' for the sake of anonymity. If you just want to vote but not post, by all means do. I'll take responses either way.

[pro-five-oh]

Since the Zephyr forum has been recently tidied up, I think most of the owner threads got shuffled away as well.

Nothing has been deleted/archived in at least 9 months, your profile must not show threads that are a coupla months old.

[Wolfe_83Conti]

Oh, that's entirely different! Nevermind. . . :p

[GorgeZeph]

I wouldn't get too bent out of shape over the "car bashing." If you'll notice, it's mostly from people driving way older models and there's probably more than a touch of envy there. I've found it to be true in my life that if I'm doing something well or doing something right, people will criticize, and it is generally because they are not doing the same. You just have to live your life to your satisfaction because ultimately you are the only person you have to make happy. Enjoy your Zephyr - there are few things as surrealistic as the experience of owning a new vehicle, whatever it may be.

Thank you!!!!! Cars have always been a passion for me. I try to keep it in perspective, but sometimes I lose it. I suspect that is true of everyone on this site. If you weren't passionate about cars, you'd wouldn't be on such a specific site.

BTW: Wolfe_83Conti - I love your picture.. Reminds me of the old "sign of the cat" commercials.....

[Wolfe_83Conti]

Thank you! It was inspired by a typo elseforum that stuck with me. The breed? A puma! (no offense, Steve!)

[TC95]

It seems like to me that the new Zephyr is a rehash of the old 88-94 Continental. Think about the similarities: 1. front-wheel drive 2. The largest engine offered on the Ford / Mercury models standard 3. V6. I think that this car has its target audience ( after all this is pretty much the same process Toyota uses to transform the pedestrian Camry into their high selling ES) However, it just has too many compromises for my taste. I prefer RWD no matter how many cylinders power it. To me it just has better balance, without the annoying vibration through the steering wheel when stopped at a light (no matter how small as the drive train is connected to the steering wheel) It may be the ticket for those in the snow belt. I really do like the way they styled the interior similarly to the current Navigator. If only they could do that with the current Town Car... (I can dream can't I?)

[pro-five-oh]

It seems like to me that the new Zephyr is a rehash of the old 88-94 Continental. Think about the similarities: 1. front-wheel drive 2. The largest engine offered on the Ford / Mercury models standard 3. V6.

You're not giving the V6 Conti a fair shake. Unlike the Zephyr, the Conti shared zero body panels (which means a totally different interior too) with the Taurus, longer wheelbase (I think), a unique air-suspension, variable assist steering and probably a couple other things I've neglected to mention.

Its pretty obvious the Zephyr was made "on the cheap" while the V6 Conti was a significant investment. Same is true for the Taurus versus the Fusion if this was a Ford messageboard.

But...to the Zephyr's credit, its unique enough to stand on its own style-wise...and the MKZ will be a pretty good performer.

[GorgeZeph]

It seems like to me that the new Zephyr is a rehash of the old 88-94 Continental. Think about the similarities: 1. front-wheel drive

Will the AWD version stop the RWD argument? Lincoln hasn't had a AWD sedan, wonder how it will preform?? Anyone have experience with other AWD sedans???

2. The largest engine offered on the Ford / Mercury models standard 3. V6.

The 3.0L produces 221HP. I can remember (not too long ago) when that would have been respectable for a V8. The 3.5L cranks out even more. My gas mileage is around 30MPG on the highway.... It's not the number of cylinders but what you do with them that counts!

I think that this car has its target audience ( after all this is pretty much the same process Toyota uses to transform the pedestrian Camry into their high selling ES) However, it just has too many compromises for my taste. I prefer RWD no matter how many cylinders power it. To me it just has better balance, without the annoying vibration through the steering wheel when stopped at a light (no matter how small as the drive train is connected to the steering wheel) It may be the ticket for those in the snow belt. I really do like the way they styled the interior similarly to the current Navigator. If only they could do that with the current Town Car... (I can dream can't I?)

I don't detect any vibration through the steering wheel. Yes, RWD is fun for breaking the tail end loose. I will also grant you that weight balance is typically better in a RWD. Properly driven, FWD has its high points. Ever watch a FWD in an auto cross? It is fun to see the car on three wheels.... You eluded to the enhanced traction in snow..... The AWD may be the best of both worlds.. I would sure like to see the two back to back in competition.

[Led Zephyrlin]

I see that everyone on here is opinionated strongly one way or the other in regards to the Zephyr. I personally liked one so well that I purchased one.

I think the largest thing people have got to realize is that Cadillac, Lincoln, Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Chrysler, and Buick (basically every single american car manufacturer) have been losing market share in there mid-size to large size luxury sedans and family sedans. Who have they lost this market share to? To their competitors Honda, Subaru, Toyota, Nissan, Acura, Lexus, BMW, Audi and others not named. Don't believe me do the research.

Finally, Ford, most GM products, Dodge, Chrysler and other american manufacturers have finally made a valiant attempt at reclaiming that very market share they all squandered because they were caught up in other ventures. The Zephyr, Milan and Fusion fit the mold to help putting Ford back into the game.

How long has it been since a car design from Lincoln ever stirred this much emotion in people. Love it or hate it you know it's a Lincoln.

And just for those of you who say you hate it but have yet to drive one. Do yourself a favor and go take one for a spin, you may be surprised at what you find. They have some areas for improvement obviously but you can find flaws in any design.

[GorgeZeph]

I see that everyone on here is opinionated strongly one way or the other in regards to the Zephyr. I personally liked one so well that I purchased one..

A I mentioned on another post, folks in this sort of site are passionate about cars. Everyone here knows what side I come down on.

Welcome to the fold!!!! I am pleased to have another Zephyr owner on this forum. What options, color, etc. did you choose??


How long has it been since a car design from Lincoln ever stirred this much emotion in people. Love it or hate it you know it's a Lincoln.

And just for those of you who say you hate it but have yet to drive one. Do yourself a favor and go take one for a spin, you may be surprised at what you find. They have some areas for improvement obviously but you can find flaws in any design.

I can't see anything in the Zephyr that isn't being addressed. If the initial release doesn't quite suit you, the MKZ should fill the bill.....

AWD and 250HP should turn around any complaints I've heard on this forum (AWD answers the RWD set - except that you can't break the rear end loose). But, if 250 HP isn't enough...... we can always hold out for the SVT MKZ, OK?

[Sysanalyst]

The rear decklid looks silly with those gawky lamps on it. The Mercury Milan has a smoother looking decklid. The vehicle is underpowered and takes a hit on not having vehicle stability control. The dash looks cool?

[Led Zephyrlin]

I bought the light sage with sand interior. Pretty much all the options except the NAV and THXII system. Just can't see paying as much for a nav system that I will seldom use. If I were directionally challenged perhaps I would buy it but I have been driving this long without one and always manage to find my way and as for the sound system, well I have a $3k + competition system from a previous vehicle that I am considering installing.

Besides I look :cool: rollin in my Zeph!

The rear lights do look a little large but if they were smaller then there would be too much bare sheet metal so I suppose them being large helps to balance the back from that aspect. I do like that the trunk is huge and that the liftover height is lower than most competing models so if a little funny look is all I need to deal with to have the convenience it offers it is worth it.

And thanks for the welcome!

Oh, the horsepower issue and front wheel drive deal is not really a concern for me. I wanted a posh and quiet interior along with a great ride and the car meets those needs. I would welcome the newer increases in HP, AWD and slightly sportier suspension due out on the 2007 MKZ provided they don't get too sporty in the suspension. Afterall, if I wanted fast I would not have even considered a Lincoln and instead would buy a Corvette, Mustang, Subaru WRX-Ti or Mitsubishi Evolution.

[pro-five-oh]

Welcome to the Jungle, LZ. :)

Granted I started this jungle (Zephyr forum) and set the negative tone but I wanted this to be the place where new school Lincoln owners get to know the most loyal band of car enthusaists on the planet. That, and we're keepin it real.

We need more people like you to balance things out. We have ZERO tech articles pertaining to the Zephyr, if you wish to document your stereo install we can put it up in lights. :)

[Led Zephyrlin]

I may do that because I am considering hitting the competition circuit again. Haven't made a decision on it yet but the possibility is always there. It is more for my own enjoyment these days since I really don't have the time to invest into an elaborate install so competing in IASCA would be out. I may give MECA or USACi a try.

Anyway, I will be around helping where I can and of course putting in my $.02 whenever possible :D

[GorgeZeph]

The rear deck lid looks silly with those gawky lamps on it. The Mercury Milan has a smoother looking deck lid. The vehicle is underpowered and takes a hit on not having vehicle stability control. The dash looks cool?

Well....... You don't have to hold back, tell us what you really feel!!!!

I will admit to not thinking too much of the tail lights at first, but they grow on you. I actually find them quite attractive now.

The Mercury Milan has a smoother looking deck lid.

As for the deck lid, that is a matter of preference. I've heard folks remark that rear looks too stubby. It's nothing compared to the 80's style Continentals. It does open up to a large (for the overall vehicle size) trunk and the rear seat opens for even more room. I love the fact that the center lines of the hood continue down the trunk.

The vehicle is underpowered and takes a hit on not having vehicle stability control.

Again, I point out that the MKZ will have 250HP. That is respectable.

As for stability control, isn't that determined by the driver????

The dash looks cool

Agreed!!

[Sysanalyst]

Giving the Zepyhr the benefit of the doubdt, I went to my local L-M dealer (Longwood Lincoln Mercury) and test drove a Zephyr. I was disappointed to say the least. Was really hoping it would have been a better vehicle. We are seriously considering purchase of a new vehicle, and it looks like it will again come from Lexus, most likely an IS250 or IS350. When I drove the Zephyr, the lack of refinement was quite apparent. The IS250/350 is also new this year, yet is refined in all aspects, ride, power, handling, looks, features, etc. The 3.0L "Escape" engine is long in tooth, and perhaps they should have waited until the 3.5L was ready before releasing the Zeph. Time will tell.

[GorgeZeph]

Glad that you've found the car for you. My brother has had several Lexus products. I think they are not very destintive. There are quite a few cars that look like Hondas (to me). That is part of the allure of the Zephyr. It doesn't look like every other car on the road.

Sorry you found the fit and finish not to your likeing. I really love the maple on the dash. Again, not like every other car.

Preferances are an interesting study. If anyone figures it out, the advertising folks have a job for you!

[pro-five-oh]

I may do that because I am considering hitting the competition circuit again. Haven't made a decision on it yet but the possibility is always there. It is more for my own enjoyment these days since I really don't have the time to invest into an elaborate install so competing in IASCA would be out. I may give MECA or USACi a try.

You need to chat with SQ LSC, he's making an IASCA-ready Lincoln Mark VII.

[cason1]

Oh, the horsepower issue and front wheel drive deal is not really a concern for me. I wanted a posh and quiet interior along with a great ride and the car meets those needs. I would welcome the newer increases in HP, AWD and slightly sportier suspension due out on the 2007 MKZ provided they don't get too sporty in the suspension. Afterall, if I wanted fast I would not have even considered a Lincoln and instead would buy a Corvette, Mustang, Subaru WRX-Ti or Mitsubishi Evolution.

Why wouldn't you look to Lincoln for a sporty car? Driven an LS. I hear they are very sporty and good all around performers while still having a good ride. Or go back a few years and pick up a Mark VII or Mark VIII. Mark VII is a Mustang in a Tux and the Mark VII came standard with 280hp or an LSC version had 290hp and they ride very well. Very quick too. Anyway, glad you like your purchase and best of luck if you do enter the stereo competitions.:D

[Wolfe_83Conti]

Afterall, if I wanted fast I would not have even considered a Lincoln and instead would buy a Corvette, Mustang, Subaru WRX-Ti or Mitsubishi Evolution.

Just a bit of advice. I wouldn't mention ricer sedans here. The SRT Mopars or V-type Caddys are acceptable competition. Also, welcome to LoL! Enjoy your Lincoln! :cool:

[AZLincolnMercury]

Glad that you've found the car for you. My brother has had several Lexus products. I think they are not very destintive. There are quite a few cars that look like Hondas (to me). That is part of the allure of the Zephyr. It doesn't look like every other car on the road.

Sorry you found the fit and finish not to your likeing. I really love the maple on the dash. Again, not like every other car.

Preferances are an interesting study. If anyone figures it out, the advertising folks have a job for you!

EDIT: Read my response below: :D

[cason1]

Hehehe, I have never bought an import brand car. I have driven one which was an 87 Nissan pickup that I had to pull out of the woods and get running as something quick to get back and forth to work so I could buy myself a car. After that it has been Ford (79 Mustang 2.3L), Chevy (89Beretta 2.8L), Dodge(91 Daytona 3.1L), Buick( 72 Skylark 350 2 barrel but had a friend with a built 455 that was scheduled for install before I had to let it go.), and Lincoln(current 94 Towncar).;)

After the Nissan, I said I wouldn't buy an import. Then my fiance went from a 00 Focus to an 03 Toyota corolla. After dealing with that, I still swear I will never buy an import!! My grandparents went from having an 89 and 93 seville to a newer Lexus and are very happy with it. I just wouldn't have one.

[Dana_15]

They are not, and will never be American.

That is flat out wrong. As far as I know my wife's Zephyr was made in Mexico. My last Silverado was made in Ontario. My Tacoma was made in the United States by american workers, not Mexican or Canadian (no disrespect to either). What is American about that? Every one talks about brand loyalty...they are not loyal to you. Nissan, Honda and Toyota all have plants in the U.S. employing thousands of AMERICAN workers. I have a little chip on my shoulder to start with over this because I can't stand the fact that manufacturing is moving outside the U.S. (this hits close to home--I have lots of friends that work at LEGO in CT who were just informed they are closing most of the plant next year to go to Mexico where the workers there will work for three dollars an hour, thats including benefits) and the working men and woman are left out in the cold, literally. With all due respect to you, just because a company is Japanese owned, doesn't mean you don't support America. I am all for the working men and woman of this country. Another thing this forum will never get Zephyr/MKZ owners here if other members just chime to say how much they hate the Zephyr/MKZ. Get over it, its a Lincoln weather you like it or not, and hopefully if it can help Ford get back on its feet.

[AZLincolnMercury]

EDIT: I initially wrote a quite lengthy response.... but I am going to go ahead and stop it right here.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion….and I am not about to force mine on anyone.

It is evident you don’t agree with what I am saying, so I am not going to pursue it further.

Both of our opinions were made up long ago and nothing one of us says will solve anything except cause a lot of turmoil.
Good luck with your Zephyr.

[Dana_15]

Good luck with your Zephyr.


Thanks. Don't take my previous post as a personal attack on you. I know it isn't you, but its a little dishearting when all people do is complain about the body style, etc of the Zephyr. It is a move Lincoln has made. This is Lincoln website and I wish we were more welcome here and not just defend our cars all the time. As for the American/Japanese thing, I should clarify. My problem is I have no respect for the suits who are making multi-million dollar salaries while their companys are barely treading water. For examaple If I bought my Zephyr, some executive is getting a nice chunk of change and a Mexican (again no disrespect) worker is getting a very small amount of money to make an AMERICAN car. While Toyota, for example, pays American workers(and Mexican also--I believe they make the beds on the Tacoma--they are composite) to make their product. Don't get me wrong, when I bought my Tacoma, I also drove the Ranger, Dakota, and Colorado and one of the selling points was the Toyota was Made In The USA. I just felt that helped the economy better. Once again I love my Zephyr and look forward to talking to everyone on this board about it--but except for the bad mileage to start with we haven't had a problem at all and there really is no need to mod the car--the finish is a testament to Lincoln enginering, we love it!

[cason1]

I have figured out my main problem with the Zephyr and in reality it isn't even with the car, just the name. Sounds crazy I know but I am the same way with the new Charger. The new Zephyr to me at all. Calling it the MKZ is fine but when I hear Zephyr, Scrape and a local one similar except in Nailfoot Orange comes to mind, not the FWD car being made now. The car looks fine for the intended market and the interior is very well done and will hopefully draw lots of buyers. It just shouldn't be called a Zephyr. The Charger is in the same boat, I have no complaint about the power, looks or any of it except for the fact it is a 4 door and called a Charger. The Charger name brings images of a big, badass 1969 440ci Charger R/T. The new Charger SRT 8 is coming out of the factory with 425 hp in a street car with a warranty. I think that is awesome and am very glad they had the balls to do so. Imagine if Ford had that kind of guts? A 500hp 5.4L blown Vic option, GM option and Towncar option. The Ford GT was making 550 I believe I read so detune it a little and throw it all on the table. Hell, give the Zephyr a small V-8 option like the LS. Don't just throw a decent looking car out there and expect it to make itself great. If the effort isn't put in at the factory, it won't do anything on the streets. Look at the new Mustang. It is almost impossible even still to find a GT sitting on a lot because they are sold out. The guy who had the balls to get it pushed through got canned for stepping too far out of the box with it once it was done. Now the car is one of the hottest sellers in a long time at Ford. Boy did that end up as a rant. Sorry.:ohno: :hide:

[GorgeZeph]

I have figured out my main problem with the Zephyr and in reality it isn't even with the car, just the name. Sounds crazy I know but I am the same way with the new Charger. The new Zephyr to me at all. Calling it the MKZ is fine but when I hear Zephyr, Scrape and a local one similar except in Nailfoot Orange comes to mind, not the FWD car being made now.

I think you are eluding to the Mercury of the 80's. If it helps, think of the 30's Lincoln Zephyr. It was intended to bring new blood into the Lincoln line, just like the current one. It makes sense to me. Besides, a Zephyr is a summer wind (dictionary definition). The Columbia River Gorge is known for its wind (and windsurfing). Without the Zephyr name, my tag of GorgeZeph wouldn't mean as much....

Hell, give the Zephyr a small V-8 option like the LS. Don't just throw a decent looking car out there and expect it to make itself great. If the effort isn't put in at the factory, it won't do anything on the streets.

I'm not sure where this was going..... I think the factory did a fine job.

As for the foreign car dispute....... Isn't Mexico the 51st state anyway ;)

[pro-five-oh]

I also drove the Ranger, Dakota, and Colorado and one of the selling points was the Toyota was Made In The USA. I just felt that helped the economy better.

How is that different than paying a white collar Detroit exec and letting him give a crumb or two to a blue collar Mexican worker? I feel its worse: the Lion's share of your money goes to white collar Japan first, then is portioned out to blue-collar USA workers.

Granted the Tacoma is probably the best truck in its market, but I wouldn't buy it because it helps our economy. I'd buy it because its better than anything Detroit makes.

Sorry to go off topic and rant even more on a rant-happy thread, but I guess I gotta vent too.:)

[AZLincolnMercury]

Why does it matter what a few people think about the Zephyrs looks? Do you like it? Well obviously or you would not have purchased one.

Many members of this forum do not think highly of the 98 and newer Town Cars (enter cason1;) ).... but again, I obviously liked it, or I would not have purchased one. I really really enjoy owning my Town Car…I think it’s an excellent automobile and I would purchase another tomorow.

So take each opinion with a grain of salt. :D

[pro-five-oh]

Many members of this forum do not think highly of the 98 and newer Town Cars (enter cason1;) )....

Don't forget me. :) I only got ours because my Dad thought a 1995 model was too old. :rolleyes:

Don't worry Zephyr folk, we all insult each other on a daily basis. Its like a family reunion. Look at the V6 Conti guys, if ya don't believe me. ;)

[AZLincolnMercury]

Don't forget me. :)
Thanks Pro I will keep that on record….wont happen again. BTW you want to call my wife ugly while your at it :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[pro-five-oh]

LOL, I'm sure your wonderful wife knows better than to hang around Jac "The Knife" Nasser and crew...if only the Town Car fared better. ;) :p

[AZLincolnMercury]

LOL, I'm sure your wonderful wife knows better than to hang around Jac "The Knife" Nasser and crew...if only the Town Car fared better. ;) :p
yeah i guess that's why she drives the sable and makes the big bucks....best car in the bunch;)

[AZLincolnMercury]

yeah, well, okay. I should get ready to go to work. You know some of us work. Who am I kidding…I’m going to home depot to buy a new ceiling fan so someone stops yelling at me. Have a good day Pro:D

[Sysanalyst]

I think if I had to choose between the Zeph and the Milan, the Milan would win out. All things being even; the styling is better. Just can't seem to get over the FWD drive train and Escape Engine, of course the 1 year old 'scape that I had to "lemon law" still has that "FUD" factor fresh in my mind.

[pro-five-oh]

I have a job, thank you. :) It just happens to be on a computer in a somewhat-private office. So there. :p

yeah i guess that's why she drives the sable and makes the big bucks....best car in the bunch;)

If it was a 1986 Sable, I'd almost agree. Those sleek 80s sedans are starting to look mighty nice, historically speaking. Even your 2000 is pretty sweet, have you seen the 2007 (2008?) Chrysler Sebring???


http://www.duemotori.com/racingnews/autoimg_queue/7363.jpg
This is what happens when a Chrysler Crossfire and Saturn Ion have a little too much to drink one night.

Stop hatin on the Zephyr, it isn't dogshit ugly like its Chrysler counterpart.

[AZLincolnMercury]

This is what happens when a Chrysler Crossfire and Saturn Ion have a little too much to drink one night.

wow …for a second there I thought that was a 300c involved in a horrible accident with an Excursion.

[cason1]

I was talking about the Lincoln of the 30's but in hot rod form. I don't have any links to Scrape but IIRC it is a 39 that is sitting on the ground in a very nice dark purple. There was one similar at a local carshow a few years back that was about the same color as Nailfoot's Townie.;)

Like I said, for it's intended market it is just fine if not a touch above but it just isn't a Zephyr to me at all.

See all Zephyr owners that I may have offended in the past, the 98+ Towncar guys don't like me either.:p It is no secret I have never been a fan of the 98+ body and after dealing with more COP issues than I ever want to, I would warn anyone away from them for as long as I live. My dad got his 02 for the exact same reason as Pro's dad. He didn't want to have to start replacing the stuff that is going to need replacing soon such as suspension bushings and air suspension components but has dropped more on COP stuff than all the suspension stuff combined on an early 90's model would have cost him plus the extra cost of a newer model.

[pro-five-oh]

My dad got his 02 for the exact same reason as Pro's dad.

Man, WHAT is the deal with our Dads? ROFL...

Actually my Dad was looking at a new Zephyr and I would happily put him in one (the incentives are good and its a nice looking car inside and out) but he decided to save his money and go used.

[GorgeZeph]

Why does it matter what a few people think about the Zephyrs looks? Do you like it? Well obviously or you would not have purchased one.

I Know, sticks and stones..... This category is to highlight the new school Lincolns. As such, I hope we are attracting new blood into the site. New folks tend to get scared off by the "attack" posts, even if it is good natured. Can we tone it down a notch until newbies get their feet wet. I (and I guess my mama), however, am fair game. Just don't dis my ride! ;)

I love my Zeph!!! In fact, I am at Ultimate Window Tint now. The Zeph is going Hollywood with some shades!!

BTW - I like the new Town Car!!!!!

[Led Zephyrlin]

WOW :eek: So much hating on the Zephyr. Where do I start?

Oh yeah that is right, in the fordfusionclub boards where people share a common interest and common love for their cars.

Anyway, I honestly don't know which comment to address first. Zephyr is ok but not entitled to the name? WTF?? If you think of what the spirit of the Zephyr was in the 30's and what the spirit of the Zephyr is today there is no difference. I found this out through researching the classic Zephyr. It was based on streamlined locomotives of the day, it was the first production unit body and it's reason for creation was to capture a youthful consumer base. Today's Zephyr fits that bill in virtually every way. The only difference that could even be considered would be that the early Zephyr was more performance based than that of today. But executing on 3 out of 4 of the original reasons for the creation of the very first Zephyr from the 30's is great.

The entire you shouldn't mention ricers thing. Well they are mentioned merely because they are two sports sedans that execute flawlessly how to make a super fun, super fast 4-door. So much so that both the Subaru WRX-ti and Mistubishi Evolution and even soon to be released Nissan Skyline absolutely slaughter a Mustang GT, Neon SRT, 300Z, Pontiac GTO, Charger SRT-8, BMW 3, Acura TL, Lincoln LS or any other model that you want to compare that is within the same price range. We are talking about three 4-door sedans that run 4.7seconds in the 0 to 60, pull wicked G force in the corners, and lay down nasty top end times. Keep in mind that these cars are doing this and still priced in the low to mid 30's. American Spirit or not I choose what I feel is best for the buck and provides what I am looking for. Which the Zephyr did better than other cars I looked at. I did not want the super sporty suspension it rides to rough and I didn't want to spend more on gas to operate it than the payment. Not to mention the insurance spike from all the extra power.

I was going to keep going and address all the negative comments but I am tired of this.

[GorgeZeph]

Whoa!!! Led Zephyrlin said a mouthful!!! Looks like a mighty Zephyr is blowing into LOL!!!

Chill some.... The trick is to persuade them, not get down and dirty. It bothers me too, but I take it as a challenge.

Is FFC Zephyr friendly??? All I saw on there was Fusion (surprise) stuff.

[Vitas]

The poll says at this time that the new Lincoln Zephyr is ahead, 7-2, 77%, at the viewpoints that count.

I recently saw a young fellow in his late 20’s taking delivery of a brand new Zephyr at a local Lincoln dealership, getting instructions from the salesman on various details. The fellow had a huge grin on his face and an excited twinkle in his eyes, and that is what counts. http://www.lincolnsonline.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

[AZLincolnMercury]

The poll says at this time that the new Lincoln Zephyr is ahead, 7-2, 77%, at the viewpoints that count.

I am one of those 7...That int makes me grin:D

[Dana_15]

The fellow had a huge grin on his face and an excited twinkle in his eyes, and that is what counts.


That was me a few months ago........except the part of being in my 20's :) . I'll be honest I've never owned a car like this, and to be honest with you I haven't driven a car since my last Thunderbird, which was when I was 21 (that was a nice ride). Would I like a TC or LS better, I don't know, this is the car we picked and like it ALOT!

[Led Zephyrlin]

GorgeZeph,

Yes FFC is Zephyr friendly. It would be political suicide for the forum not to be since that would be going against the very chassis on which your own car is built.

I think what aggravates me the most is that some people making negative comments about the Zephyr/MKZ have never even done their own research on the vehicle and taken one out on the road to see just how it performs. I blame most of the original articles written up on the Zephyr claiming it to be an over-priced Fusion/Milan. This causes most people to make an assumption based on something they read or heard. So, if you haven't taken the Zephyr out for a ride and seriously looked at it as a possible choice then just remain silent well unless your commenting opinion based on styling.

One fact is that the Zephyr won best interior - beating out BMW, Acura, Lexus and countless others. So when I hear a comment like the interior is cheap I just have to laugh at the sheep making the comment because just like any good sheep, they follow the shepard regardless of where the shepard may roam.

Don't be a sheep. Don't believe everything you read. Don't just accept someone else's opinion.

I can understand not liking the styling of interior or exterior because that is truly something that is opinion driven. I love the look of the LS I am not in love with the exterior look of the TC. Interior on both are a flashback from late 80's early 90's but looks ok. Those are opinions. If I had said, LS & TC sucks because it has rear wheel drive and RWD doesn't handle well (leaving out that I am talking on snowpacked roads). It would portray me as a moron.

I am not trying to be agressive. However, if you can only make a negative comment and are unable to clearly portray why you have reached your negative conclusion. Well in those cases it would probably be best if you just kept quiet.

[pro-five-oh]

I am not trying to be agressive. However, if you can only make a negative comment and are unable to clearly portray why you have reached your negative conclusion. Well in those cases it would probably be best if you just kept quiet.

Ya know, I started this forum months before the Zephyr came out and I put all the news I could find to fill it up. It was mostly negative, but that's the auto biz, and it got Lincolnsonline.com talking, analyzing, critizing the Zephyr.

I needed that to happen.

Yeah its a crappy way to get people around, but I think its working. And since we are not a CD3 specific messageboard, we will (at least that's my intention) bring Zephyr people into one of the most brand loyal messageboards on the planet.

Everyone I see here in the "CD3" has passion. I wanted that most of all. We failed the LS forum this way. :( But it worked for the 88-94 Conti forum (that was no small task, but WE did it!) and now its nice to see strength in the Zephyr crowd.

LZ, Dana, Gorge and everyone else: You and the love of your cars fit in here real well. Thank you for putting up with us, you won't regret it.

(I wanted to end the thread on this note)