curious

[Snarl of Disgust]

Something I was curious about.

1. Is the zephyr the top end of a 3 tier line up? id, ford thunderbird,mercury cougar,lincoln markvii.

2. If so does it share a chassis with the fusion and milan?

Figured if anyone would know it would be you guys.

[pro-five-oh]

1. Yes

2. Yes

That was easy! :)

[Sysanalyst]

Personally, I believe the Milan has better styling than the Zephyr, but yes, alas, the Zeph is the "Top of the Heap" fusion (lacking vehicle stability control to boot?).

[Led Zephyrlin]

And your opinion is noted. So is that all? You just wanted to pop in and say Zephyr sucks again?

Just to get you guys off the Zephyr, I pray that lincoln releases a luxury focus just to show you things could be worse. Now that would be the repeat of the Cimmaron all over again.

[Sysanalyst]

And your opinion is noted. So is that all? You just wanted to pop in and say Zephyr sucks again?

Just to get you guys off the Zephyr, I pray that lincoln releases a luxury focus just to show you things could be worse. Now that would be the repeat of the Cimmaron all over again.
I really, really was hoping for a much better product. I am looking for a new car, and would prefer a Lincon, but even my wife and kids didn't like the Zeph. Also, I never said it sucked, it just disappointed me. I was thinking along the lines of an LS; V8, RWD, etc. with up to date safety features and the like. We are heavily leaning toward the IS250/350; much like the LS; RWD, lots of power, smooth ride, crisp handling, etc. I'm just disappointed, and since I've offended you, I'll refrain from further Zephyr criticism.

[nailfoot]

... I am looking for a new car, and would prefer a Lincon, but even my wife and kids didn't like the Zeph...

Go with a big, 1992 Mercedes 560 SEL. They have power rear seats, and the head rest on the front seats is powered as well. Even has hydraulic rear load leveling suspension. Of course, nothing is easy or cheap to fix on one though.

Those were the cars I was looking at before the Orange Mojo caught my eye.

[Dana_15]

with up to date safety features and the like.

Hope your not talking about traction control. Quite a few people complain about lack of traction control, if you need it in a FWD vehicle, you need to hand your license in.

[Snarl of Disgust]

personally I'm holding out for the new Mark Ten...fully loaded...black on black...regardless of how much it costs i'm gonna buy it and be poor as hell but I'll have a Mark Ten so all will be well. Anyone have any gossip on them yet?


I am looking for a new car, and would prefer a Lincon

[Sysanalyst]

Hope your not talking about traction control. Quite a few people complain about lack of traction control, if you need it in a FWD vehicle, you need to hand your license in.

I believe the Zephyr has traction control, but it is missing vehicle stability control. We have this feature on our 4 year old RX300 and it has kept the vehicle out of trouble on a couple of instances, and frankly shocked me on how well it worked.

[pro-five-oh]

personally I'm holding out for the new Mark Ten...fully loaded...black on black...regardless of how much it costs i'm gonna buy it and be poor as hell but I'll have a Mark Ten so all will be well. Anyone have any gossip on them yet?

The Mark Ten is on its way, see the name of this forum. :)

[GorgeZeph]

I really, really was hoping for a much better product. I am looking for a new car, and would prefer a Lincoln, but even my wife and kids didn't like the Zeph. Also, I never said it sucked, it just disappointed me. I was thinking along the lines of an LS; V8, RWD, etc. with up to date safety features and the like. We are heavily leaning toward the IS250/350; much like the LS; RWD, lots of power, smooth ride, crisp handling, etc. I'm just disappointed, and since I've offended you, I'll refrain from further Zephyr criticism.

It's just that you keep repeating the same thing. This is almost an exact copy of another post you made a few weeks ago. Yes, the Zephyr has traction control (and it works well). I fail to see the value of stability control in a sedan.

If the Zephyr isn't the car for you and the Lexus is, buy it. Not every product a manufacturer makes will fit everyone (and thankfully so). My brother has been though several Lexus(s). They don't do a thing for me. Just another ToyotaHondaNissan generic sedan (my opinion). The distinctive style of the Zephyr, that isn't like every other sedan on the road, appeals to me.

Point is that everyone has a different needs, wants, and desires. We get that it isn't the car for you. OK, thanks for the note. As the car matures, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the changes.

[Sysanalyst]

It's just that you keep repeating the same thing. This is almost an exact copy of another post you made a few weeks ago. Yes, the Zephyr has traction control (and it works well). I fail to see the value of stability control in a sedan.

If the Zephyr isn't the car for you and the Lexus is, buy it. Not every product a manufacturer makes will fit everyone (and thankfully so). My brother has been though several Lexus(s). They don't do a thing for me. Just another ToyotaHondaNissan generic sedan (my opinion). The distinctive style of the Zephyr, that isn't like every other sedan on the road, appeals to me.

Point is that everyone has a different needs, wants, and desires. We get that it isn't the car for you. OK, thanks for the note. As the car matures, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the changes.

The dashboard looks nice.

[Snarl of Disgust]

That's the MKX, I'm talking about the Mark X or "Mark Ten"
concept car that showed up in 04 was it? A true 2 door Luxury Sport vehicle staying in tradition with the mark series

The Mark Ten is on its way, see the name of this forum. :)

[pro-five-oh]

That's the MKX, I'm talking about the Mark X or "Mark Ten"
concept car that showed up in 04 was it? A true 2 door Luxury Sport vehicle staying in tradition with the mark series

Don't hold your breath, it ain't gonna happen for at least a decade if the current reports are accurate.

And the MKX is officially pronounced "Mark EX"...which means I drive a "Mark VEE EYE EYE EYE."

Lincoln's insane new names don't fly with me, so its a Mark Ten for that reason. :)

[Snarl of Disgust]

yeah the new names are iffy at best, hell i'll need a decade to save up for it!

Don't hold your breath, it ain't gonna happen for at least a decade if the current reports are accurate.

And the MKX is officially pronounced "Mark EX"...which means I drive a "Mark VEE EYE EYE EYE."

Lincoln's insane new names don't fly with me, so its a Mark Ten for that reason. :)

[Led Zephyrlin]

I believe the Zephyr has traction control, but it is missing vehicle stability control. We have this feature on our 4 year old RX300 and it has kept the vehicle out of trouble on a couple of instances, and frankly shocked me on how well it worked.

Yes the Zephyr has traction control and no it doesn't have stability control.

Further note in this situtation would be that your comparing a top heavy SUV to a low center of gravity sedan. Stability control came about because of the popularity of the top heavy death traps of the earlier days such as the Bronco. Granted stability control could in fact help on a sedan but you need to ask yourself is the extra cost worth spending if your chance of it being used in day to day driving is slim to none? To me I would rather the car not have stability control and cost $1,000-2,000 less. If I were buying an SUV then I would want stability control since they are much more likely to roll over in an everyday accident.

I do respect your opinion that the Zephyr isn't for you. There is no problem with saying that.

But tell me how does this comment.

"Personally, I believe the Milan has better styling than the Zephyr, but yes, alas, the Zeph is the "Top of the Heap" fusion (lacking vehicle stability control to boot?)."

Have anything to do with this topic which started the thread.

"Something I was curious about.

1. Is the zephyr the top end of a 3 tier line up? id, ford thunderbird,mercury cougar,lincoln markvii.

2. If so does it share a chassis with the fusion and milan?

Figured if anyone would know it would be you guys."

[GorgeZeph]

Just for the sake of argument, I've had SUV's for company cars for the past 17 years (Explorer (2), Suburban (3), Jeep, Ranger, Durango, and now Excursion). The only stability control any of these had was a safe driver behind the wheel. I usually put 50 to 70K a year on (a lot of it is off road). I've stuck them, but never even came close to rolling them.

The point of this is that safety equipment is great, but we shouldn't rely on it. I'd really like an adaptive cruise control. The vehicle lane position device would be nice on the highway (especially the one that warns you when the car next to you is encroaching on your lane). From what I've seen, the more defensive devices the better. I'm not afraid of what I'm doing, but I've seen what the other people on the road do!!! You just can't legislate away stupidity!!

And, this has nothing to do with the original post. I just wanted to sound off on all the safety equipment. I remember when I was a kid we didn't even have safety belts. Times have changed!!

[Led Zephyrlin]

gorge,

The adaptive cruise would be more of a want for me than stability control as well. The lane departure I am not familiar with how that works so I am not sure I would want that or not, although it would probably be nice to have as well.

I know this has nothing to do with the post but your heart is in the right place. I question that with some others.

[Sysanalyst]

...But tell me how does this comment.
"Personally, I believe the Milan has better styling than the Zephyr, but yes, alas, the Zeph is the "Top of the Heap" fusion (lacking vehicle stability control to boot?)."
Have anything to do with this topic which started the thread.
If you'll read the topic of the thread;

"curious"

And the first post


Something I was curious about.

1. Is the zephyr the top end of a 3 tier line up? id, ford thunderbird,mercury cougar,lincoln markvii.

2. If so does it share a chassis with the fusion and milan?

Figured if anyone would know it would be you guys.
Well, if it was not obvious, it was in response to that particular quote. Again, it is my personal opinion, and if I remember correctly, we should respect each others opinions. If you feel a Town Car is ugly and nasty, heck man, speak up.

[pro-five-oh]

If you feel a Town Car is ugly and nasty, heck man, speak up.
TC's are fine, but 82 Corvettes are about as nasty as they get. Not to mention a Zephyr will probably clean its clock in most every dynamic maneuver. :p

How's that for love for our newest forum? Huh? ;)

[Dereck]

Yes the Zephyr has traction control and no it doesn't have stability control.


Hi Led Zephyrlin

All my cars come with traction control I just balance the throttle with my right foot to give maximum tire adhesion and who needs stability control I just roll with it :)

Regards

Dereck

[Led Zephyrlin]

If you feel a Town Car is ugly and nasty, heck man, speak up.


I do, but it sure does have a nice ride. It is just so old and outdated. Look at the bimmer 7 series which is what I would consider closer in size and ammenities as the TC. The 745 is gorgeous, why can't Lincoln get with the program and put out something as sleek and stylish yet still be large and posh. If they did and kept it at current price points of the TC they would kill in that market and still maintain the livery side as well. Something similar to the Zephyr styling but on a larger scale would be awfully nice.

[Led Zephyrlin]

Ok guys, much better. Justa little lovin is all we want. :o

[GorgeZeph]

TC's are fine, but 82 Corvettes are about as nasty as they get. Not to mention a Zephyr will probably clean its clock in most every dynamic maneuver. :p

How's that for love for our newest forum? Huh? ;)


Ahhhhh!!!! I'm feeling the love now!!!!!!

I judged a car show today at North Bonneville, WA. There were tons of real nice cars there. But, no Lincolns to be found...... Where are the classic Lincolns?? I even saw Lasalles and De Soto's. I wanted to vote for our own, but the closest I got was a chopped Merc (nice!)..

[Dana_15]

kept it at current price


Funny you should mention that, my mother-in-law has an 04 TC, think its a signature series, every option, etc. Nice looking car, but when I asked her how much it was back when she bought it she said 55K !!!!!. WOW. More people ask and look at the Zephyr than the TC.......but damn that TC does ride nice!

[Led Zephyrlin]

Dana,

That is what I am talking about exactly. Look at what the TC was/is selling for. You can't tell me as an auto maker that you are unable to produce a car in the 55K range that could send both the Mercedes and BMW market reeling back on their heels. A knock out blow to settle all disputes of best bang for the buck. If you keep the price very close to current TC pricing then you also keep your current customer base as well. It becomes a win win situation.