Confirmed: 3.7L V6 exclusively for the MKS

[pro-five-oh]

Now all we gotta do is make sure its comes with twin turbos and well over 350hp!

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/09/15/bullitt-mustang-v6-lincoln-mks-new-f-150-in-the-cards/

[DaKat]

Do we hold our breath??

[Dereck]

Confirmed: 3.7L V6 exclusively for the MKS


Hi Pro

I hope it's not a Duratec derivative :(

Regards

Dereck

[pro-five-oh]

Hi Pro

I hope it's not a Duratec derivative :(

Regards

Dereck

It is, but its a significantly changed motor, if the PR-spin is true.

[the Andrew]

Now all we gotta do is make sure its comes with twin turbos and well over 350hp!

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/09/15/bullitt-mustang-v6-lincoln-mks-new-f-150-in-the-cards/

Well it seems I lost hope screw the V6 I WANT A V-effing-8!!

[v8_dave]

Wow, it needs to be twin turbo now!

[JoshMcMadMac]

All that the story really told us was that they won't do a V8. Now we just have to hope for some power out of the 3.7L.

[pro-five-oh]

All that the story really told us was that they won't do a V8. Now we just have to hope for some power out of the 3.7L.

I'd like to think they're keeping the twin turbo/direct injected part a secret until the car comes closer to production. Or maybe its still in the govt. regulation testing phase.

[JoshMcMadMac]

I'd like to think they're keeping the twin turbo/direct injected part a secret until the car comes closer to production. Or maybe its still in the govt. regulation testing phase.

Puff puff pass, man...you're on some good stuff. :p

[luxuryrules]

And what of the 3.5 twin turbo? It looked like that was a pretty solid go.

http://www.lincolnsonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45028
One of the readers cites it had been approved for production, but I suppose you can't believe every source.

[Sysanalyst]

Hi Pro

I hope it's not a Duratec derivative :(

Regards

Dereck

New Nickname: Duratec Dereck!

All joking aside, it sounds like the 3.7 V6 is another "better idea" turning into a "cheaper idea" day by day. Yes, it does cost a lot of money to make a quality engine. Yes, last minute cost cutting strategies do affect quality. Yes, customers are quite aware of this with Ford products.

[the Andrew]

New Nickname: Duratec Dereck!

All joking aside, it sounds like the 3.7 V6 is another "better idea" turning into a "cheaper idea" day by day. Yes, it does cost a lot of money to make a quality engine. Yes, last minute cost cutting strategies do affect quality. Yes, customers are quite aware of this with Ford products.

Agreed. The End.

[Philip]

I'm really surprised by all of this. When I bought the Continental, the salesman showed me some "secret" literature about upcoming Lincoln vehicles, and neither he nor his manager knew whether it would be front, rear or all wheel drive. But they agreed it was probably V6.

Nothing inherently wrong with a six-cylinder, really, but it has to be a damn good six. Jaguar had the inline six up through 1995 and it was one of the silkiest engines in production, Acura sells the RL with a six, never been a V8 in a production Honda product ever.

BUT, GM and Chrysler have refocused on V8 power, albeit with cylinder cutoff for fuel economy when needed. Ford has not designed a new V8 for, what is it now, about 16 years? The 4.6 was ground breaking back then, still holding it's own, but they really should be launching a ground breaking new product with a ground breaking new engine that's firing eight cylinders if for no other reason than snob appeal. They are trying to put some seriousness back into Lincoln, right? If nothing else, develop cylinder cutoff for the 4.6 and stuff it in the MKS. But would be sweet to have an all new V8 under that hood. I predict older Lincoln TownCars will be in hot demand and resales of them will be bread and butter for the dealerships. These guys have people waiting for Marks and Continentals to be traded back in, why because of their well-rounded engineering.

[pro-five-oh]

If nothing else, develop cylinder cutoff for the 4.6 and stuff it in the MKS. But would be sweet to have an all new V8 under that hood.


The only FWD V8s Ford has in their fleet are:

the Yamaha-sourced V8 that Volvo uses in the MKS's older brother. Too bad its expensive with licensing/production issues and Ford doesn't have the cash to make it happen.
the old InTech from the Conti that's too damn big for that chassis. It barely fits in the Conti, and the Yamaha V8 is a tight fit in the Volvo. They didn't have much of a choice.

[Dereck]

The only FWD V8s Ford has in their fleet are:

the Yamaha-sourced V8 that Volvo uses in the MKS's older brother. Too bad its expensive with licensing/production issues and Ford doesn't have the cash to make it happen.
the old InTech from the Conti that's too damn big for that chassis. It barely fits in the Conti, and the Yamaha V8 is a tight fit in the Volvo. They didn't have much of a choice.

Hi Pro

They could have made the car bigger so that a huge capacity V8 would fit :)

There is an anacdote that says Jaguar pulled the same stunt in '86 with the introduction of the XJ40 by making the engine bay the wrong shape to fit Rover's old Buick V8 but in doing so thier own V12 would not fit :)

Regards

Dereck

[pro-five-oh]

Hi Pro

They could have made the car bigger so that a huge capacity V8 would fit :)


Well they should have never used a front-wheel drive biased Volvo chassis in the first place...but its probably too late to complain about the last regime's incompetance.

[Nick]

For the market they want, FWD and a V8 is asanine. The handling trade offs are huge. The SOHC V8 in the Town Car is a boat anchor compared to other engines today. It might be reliable, but power is ridiculously low. I'd rather have a high content 6 cylinder with a lot of power than a V8 with no oomph. It might not be as American, but it doesn't mean that it won't work. Nissan is getting 300hp out of their V6...

The Ford truck line up is hurting by the weak performance of the 5.4 Triton too. Everybody has more power. I look forward to when Ford has some money to invest in powertrains.

If the Hurricane V6 is a replacement for the Duratec and takes up no more room, I wonder if it can fit in a V6 LS with a stick? Durability of the Getrag 5 speed would be questionable though.

[pro-five-oh]

For the market they want, FWD and a V8 is asanine. The handling trade offs are huge. The SOHC V8 in the Town Car is a boat anchor compared to other engines today. It might be reliable, but power is ridiculously low. I'd rather have a high content 6 cylinder with a lot of power than a V8 with no oomph. It might not be as American, but it doesn't mean that it won't work. Nissan is getting 300hp out of their V6...


Let's be clear, the MKS will be all-wheel drive. Sooner or later (hopefully sooner) Ford will dump the 3V Explorer motor and 6-speed auto into the Town Car and Lincoln will have a true flagship.

And after driving a handful of 280+hp V6s from Japan, all I can say is narrow powerbands with insane revving and (sometimes) crappy fuel economy on premium is totally overrated. The latest 3.6L V6 from GM understands that, and hopefully the 3.5/3.7L Fords shall follow its lead.

[Nick]

Even though the car is AWD, it's FWD biased. Even Audi is recognizing the limits of AWD with regards to extreme vehicle handling and is now tuning their RS models to have more power biased to the rear.


The car looks to be a good effort so far, but I'm biased for the LS. :D

[luxuryrules]

Anybody have any data on the 3.7? I was really hyped at the 3.5 TT rumor and I'm disappointed to see them just going back to an NA 3.7, unless that makes close to 300hp as well.

What Pro notes is entirely correct, it'll be better to have a broader and more drivable powerband, but we have to remember that Lincoln needs to win back consumers. Unfortunately they'll look at the competition with a higher hp peak but narrower powerband, see the higher hp and chalk that up as a plus on the competition. I just hope that the market for the MKS can see past that, but given that the hp wars are spreading to the luxury sport sedan market that may not be the case.

I dunno. I'm just rambling and wishing for a 3.5 Twin Turbo instead :)

[pro-five-oh]

Nick has a good point, though I doubt the FWD bias of this AWD system is gonna upset a non-high performance vehicle like the MKS. I'm just hoping the suspension tuning is like the LS.

Anybody have any data on the 3.7? I was really hyped at the 3.5 TT rumor and I'm disappointed to see them just going back to an NA 3.7, unless that makes close to 300hp as well.

The 3.7 could very well be turbocharged. After all, they never said it wouldn't be.

Something else to keep in mind: Ford insiders confirm that a version of the new 3.5L Duratec with direct injection and twin turbos has passed all emissions legalities...but Ford is officially keeping their mouth shut on it. :)

After they did an about face and moved Town Car production to the Crown Vic plant, don't doubt Lincoln has the balls to do the right thing again.

[Dereck]

Something else to keep in mind: Ford insiders confirm that a version of the new 3.5L Duratec........


Hi Pro

Aarrggghhhh!!! It's the antichrist, Damian has been reincarnated as a Duratec motor and sent straight from hades to make mechanic's lives a misery plagued with skinned knuckles and 3 hour alternator jobs, oh woe is me! :(

Regards

Dereck

[luxuryrules]

The 3.7 could very well be turbocharged. After all, they never said it wouldn't be.


I'll be optomistic, this time. I've just seen too many shortcuts this company takes that I have little faith they'll put what needs to be in there. See Dereck's platic Clutch Master Cylinder thread and understand why I've lost faith. Or the 4000+lb Shelby Mustang.

Dereck, I'm getting a vibe that you might not be too fond of these Duratec motors.... just a wild guess.

[pro-five-oh]

The Duratec is a good motor, its just a pain to work on when crammed into a Ford Mondeo/Contour. Well they aren't easy to work on in a Taurus, but there's a lot more space to reach stuff there.

And the only thing the new Duratec shares with Dereck's favorite motor of all time is the name.

[pepsi2185]

Towncar will always be seen as the flagship baby!!! You want V8 get a tc. The true measure of excess and opulance!!!

Ill give them a chance. This is better than just the 3.5 in the MKS.

[Rick2]

I am surprised they did not consider the 3.9L V8 from the LS:confused:

[noremac]

i've heard wards is about to award the 3.5 a 10 best engine for 2007.

i would also say that as a fan of the last gen audi twin turbo engine, and the current reviews of the BMW 335 twin turbo that there's no shame and plenty of drivable torque in a twin turbo set up. a last gen S4 can go from 250 bhp to 400 with a flick of a switch...and i think that was a 2.7L block.

Read up on the 335 twin turbo, it put their last generation M3 engine to shame, can be revved at a stand still without seizing, and doesn't have to be revved to 8k to get power out of.

[pro-five-oh]

Read up on the 335 twin turbo, it put their last generation M3 engine to shame, can be revved at a stand still without seizing, and doesn't have to be revved to 8k to get power out of.

Exactly. Hopefully the production 3.5L motor will produce 415hp/400tq like the MKR concept. That will blow some minds.

[DocWagon]

Now all we gotta do is make sure its comes with twin turbos and well over 350hp!

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/09/15/bullitt-mustang-v6-lincoln-mks-new-f-150-in-the-cards/

I've heard the exclusivity will only be for the first year of production, and then other models will be available with the motor. Ford is supposedly considering the Ford 500 as a base for a police car for urban agencies who are migrating to V6 patrol cars or who previously sued over the Crown Victoria. The 500 would get the 3.7, at least as an interceptor model. The Fusion and Milan could also get it.


This is from a fleet sales manager, by the way.

[pro-five-oh]

That would not surprise me, as Lincoln (4.6L) used to get the motors for the first year and then it would filter down to the rest. It is a good idea.

[Matt]

the 'tec fusion is already faster then the PI Vic.. and the V6 charger. I can only imagine what a 3.5 or 3.7 would do in a Five Hundred or Fusion.

[the Andrew]

The only FWD V8s Ford has in their fleet are:

the Yamaha-sourced V8 that Volvo uses in the MKS's older brother. Too bad its expensive with licensing/production issues and Ford doesn't have the cash to make it happen.
the old InTech from the Conti that's too damn big for that chassis. It barely fits in the Conti, and the Yamaha V8 is a tight fit in the Volvo. They didn't have much of a choice.

Aww, dam, Ford will actually have to do something rather than steal from another company,

[Silver Cobra]

According to Edmunds, come 2009, the MKS will offer a Turbocharged 3.5 V6 making 340hp

[mercury_1988]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgilKUwMl2A&feature=related
A video talks about the ECOBOOST TECHNOLOGY ( Twin force) .

[AZLincolnMercury]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgilKUwMl2A&feature=related
A video talks about the ECOBOOST TECHNOLOGY ( Twin force) .
Nice :)

I like the acceleration comparison....It's funny seeing a Taurus out run a BMW and Cadillac.