3.7L V6...but read between the lines!

[pro-five-oh]

The 3.7-liter V-6 will differentiate Lincoln from Ford and Mercury models "in terms of torque and horsepower," said Cisco Codina, Ford Motor's group vice president of North American marketing, sales and service.So, in terms of torque and horsepower, how exactly does one get differentiation between 3.5L and 3.7L? Ford is playing hard to get, but you can bet your bottom dollar the 3.7L's gonna have forced induction, probably twin turbos.

We might have a player in the MKS, people.

http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061030/FREE/61030002/1024/TOC01ARCHIVE

[JoshMcMadMac]

I'm still not holding my breath.

[Dereck]

......between 3.5L and 3.7L? .....the 3.7L's gonna have forced induction, probably twin turbos.


Hi Pro

There ain't no substitute for cubic inches! ;)

Regards

Dereck

[pro-five-oh]

Go drive the new BMW 335 and get back with me.

The torque will shock you. Wear a diaper. :)

[DustyLBottoms]

Hi Pro

There ain't no substitute for cubic inches! ;)

Regards

Dereck

Sure there is!

CVVT

IMRC

DOHC

EFI

All of the above took took engines of a given displacement and improved upon the availible power - without increasing CID. (and in many cases decreasing fuel consumption.)

[Nick]

The new 335 is sick. I can't wait to see the M3. Bangle BMWs may be ugly, but the hardware underneath is still amazing.

[pro-five-oh]

Sure there is!
All of the above took took engines of a given displacement and improved upon the availible power - without increasing CID. (and in many cases decreasing fuel consumption.)

Yes but no. All those goodies increase peak HP, usually (almost always) at the expense of low end torque. Drive a new V6 Camry and tell me if it grunts like your 3.8L Conti.

BUT...

Turbocharging and direct injection fattens the powerband without loss of torque. They don't call it displacement on demand for no reason. ;)

[DustyLBottoms]

Yes but no. All those goodies increase peak HP, usually (almost always) at the expense of low end torque. Drive a new V6 Camry and tell me if it grunts like your 3.8L Conti.

BUT...

Turbocharging and direct injection fattens the powerband without loss of torque. They don't call it displacement on demand for no reason. ;)

Agreed about the Conti vs. Camry - but that's apples to oranges - DOHC vs. Pushrod.

I'm looking at same engine upgrades - the 3.8 in the Conti, 160hp & 225ftlb of torque. Add the IMRC that it got for the windstar/mustang late versions and you're getting 200hp with almost the same torque. (I know there were other small changes as well, but I'm focusing on the IMRC in response the "cubes" question) Same thing when the 3.8 went from CFI to MFI - CID stayed the same but we have better power and less fuel consumption.

[luxuryrules]

I dunno Pro, the article doesn't mention any forced induction. You sure about this?

[JoshMcMadMac]

I dunno Pro, the article doesn't mention any forced induction. You sure about this?

No, he's not...he's crazy. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" :p

[pro-five-oh]

The "insiders" say that Ford has a twin-turbo 3.7L V6 that's currently going through CARB certification.

Ford officially says that the MKS will have a "unique" 3.7L V6 for the MKS.

I'm just putting two and two together. :)

[JoshMcMadMac]

The "insiders" say that Ford has a twin-turbo 3.7L V6 that's currently going through CARB certification.

Ford officially says that the MKS will have a "unique" 3.7L V6 for the MKS.

I'm just putting two and two together. :)

Math makes for a dangerous bedfellow in the automotive industry. :p

[thunderace31]

WOW! Some of you shock the hell out of me!

Anyone on here ever ride in a Grand National or Typhoon/Syclone or Turbo Ttype??

There is a replacement for displacement lol

My car for example runs the Quarter Mile in just under 11 sec. at 120 mph. But If I keep my foot out of it will pull down 19-25 mpg!!!!!!!

Under boost the car just rips! My car makes almost 600ph and 700 ft. of torque! All on 3.8 liters of V6

That is just one example you can go to T6P.com and see cars that go even fast and get almost the same milage. There are also some great Vid's on that site that will just blow your mind V6 cars that can go well into the 8 sec. range that are not that far off from stock as far as the block Pistons and rods are concened.

I am just hopping to change the minds of some that are still living in the 60's and 70's that Big eng. is better lol.

Hope I didnt Piss anyone off with this also.

No if Ford/Linconl can come out with a Turbo anything that will be a blast to drive!
let me also add that in the gas milage game you cant have a huge eng and acheave the same #'s as with some sort of Power Adder. Turbos do nothing when not spooled up (See cruise speeds) and with the added tech. of turning Cyl. off on the free at cruise to save gas then add a turbo for performance I think its a great idea myself! Can you say 35mpg and still have 400 hp!!
Id be in if I could afford to pay $40000 for a new car :)

[Sysanalyst]

Remember... This is Ford. The only 500HP vehicle they have costs $150K. GM's 500+ HP Corvette is well under $100K. 300HP+ vehicles can be purchased for $25K at GM too. Same with Daimler/Chrysler. Ford - heck try a 3.0L Ford 500... talk about slug.

[thunderace31]

Remember... This is Ford. The only 500HP vehicle they have costs $150K. GM's 500+ HP Corvette is well under $100K. 300HP+ vehicles can be purchased for $25K at GM too. Same with Daimler/Chrysler. Ford - heck try a 3.0L Ford 500... talk about slug.

lol Yes I have no Brand Loyalty what so ever I have Chry, fords, Buicks, Hondas, you name it I have had one at some point. This is my first lincoln and I really do like it.
HP is good and so are Trubos.
As for ford the new Shelby GT will have 500Hp out of the box ford is just not rating it at that level for Insurance purpouses ;) I have a Friend that works at Delfi an he brought over a Ford GT and then Came back the Next day with a New Shelby Let me tell ya the mustang was faster! in second gear you mat the go ped and this thing at 40mph would rost the tires like no tomorrow, A for Exsec had one at Milan and it ran 11.21 on some old beat up Drag Radials he put on it just for the day! Thats a bad ride there!
So if your a Ford fan stop the crying lol there headed in the right place will just take time :)

Oh one more thing the Shelby will sticker for $45,000 if you wait 2 years they will build as many as are needed and trust me you will be able to get one for 45,000 then. ZO6 is 65,000 -75,000 and thats all they have to offer with that much go!

[Sysanalyst]

...
Oh one more thing the Shelby will sticker for $45,000 if you wait 2 years they will build as many as are needed and trust me you will be able to get one for 45,000 then. ZO6 is 65,000 -75,000 and thats all they have to offer with that much go!

I've heard the Saturn Sky Turbo will best a Vette Z06 in 0-60 time frame for under $30K.

Also, I was on a plane last week sitting next to a hot looking Ford saleswoman from Monroe, Michigan. :o She said they let go of a brand spankin new Ford GT for $91K. :eek:

[luxuryrules]

And still, the Z06 Vette will make a better all around track car than anything Ford makes. Or pretty much anything else within double its price range....

That Sky Turbo should be a mean ride. I'd consider one in the future if I was looking for a little roadster. Now if we can just talk Lincoln into getting off their collective butts and building another Mark on a lengthened Mustang platform.

[JSH93MarkVIII]

[QUOTE=Sysanalyst;569864]I've heard the Saturn Sky Turbo will best a Vette Z06 in 0-60 time frame for under $30K. QUOTE]
Oct 06 Motor Trend test of 2007 Pontiac Solstice Turbo (MSRP as tested $29,334) showed 0-60 of 5.5 sec, which I know is way slower than the Z06. Does the Sky have a lot bigger motor than the Solstice?

[Sysanalyst]

[quote=Sysanalyst;569864]I've heard the Saturn Sky Turbo will best a Vette Z06 in 0-60 time frame for under $30K. QUOTE]
Oct 06 Motor Trend test of 2007 Pontiac Solstice Turbo (MSRP as tested $29,334) showed 0-60 of 5.5 sec, which I know is way slower than the Z06. Does the Sky have a lot bigger motor than the Solstice?

http://www.saturnfans.com/Cars/SKY/2007/gavanaskysema.shtml

Looks like this is a custom job, 348HP.

[pro-five-oh]

Anyone on here ever ride in a Grand National or Typhoon/Syclone or Turbo Ttype??


Thank goodness, a turbo Buick person is here to level the playing field!

Can you imagine the potential of a turbo 3.7L V6 with variable cams, direct injection, and the latest in turbocharger materials/technology? Its like the 1980s, only better!

[luxuryrules]

Its like the 1980s, only better!

Taking that statement out of context makes my soul hurt. The only good stuff from the 80s were Lincolns and Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

And me, of course.

[Wolfe_83Conti]

I would love to know what kind of car engine could ever best a certain 420cid straight eight with a 12" centrifugal supercharger that got 365bhp est? DOCH and apple green? Am I being too subtle :D ? This engine/car is yet to be bested, IMHO.

As far as the Lincoln's engine goes, as long as it's reliable and strong, I don't care.

[thunderace31]

Thank goodness, a turbo Buick person is here to level the playing field!

Can you imagine the potential of a turbo 3.7L V6 with variable cams, direct injection, and the latest in turbocharger materials/technology? Its like the 1980s, only better!

Yes it would be cool ;)

By the way the GN and GNX were the fastest production cars of the 80's and came with the boost at all of 12psi so they wouldnt be faster out of the show room than the vet of that error.

Now with all things (Small things at that) you can do to a GN OR T you cant beat them for the $$ you spend.

Even if I had 60-100,000 to spend on a car I would just pick up another T or GN and do all the things I really want to do to the one I have now. Guess what I could be a lot faster than anything on the street! Can you say 7.50 or faster with a V6 lmao

Anyway Back to the linconl I think its in the works I talked to a friend of my dads today (Over turkey) and he said there are 3 running around the streets of Detroit that have a Single Turbo and 1 with a Twin. Problem they are having is keeping them from comming apart lol. The eng was made to take boost so they are slated for 2009-2010 release if they get them set up right and can live for 100,000 miles with no issues. Oh and let me say this he told me 110,000 or so will be max for this motor if its run super hard.

Just things that our out there. I love my Conti and I will always give you guys my .02 on things so enjoy :)

Anyone want to race its nice out here lol :p

[pro-five-oh]

Cold weather is great for boost. Imagine adding a close ratio 6-speed and AWD to your Buick, and that's what the MKS will be. :)

Nice to hear the rumors from your end, supposedly the turbo 3.7L is in the process of passing EPA emissions certifications. If so it should be ready for the MKS' introduction in 2009. I'd like to think they have a unique forged bottom-end for the 3.7 just like Buick did with the GN, but if they didn't, its gonna be a low-boost only motor.

[luxuryrules]

Anyway Back to the linconl I think its in the works I talked to a friend of my dads today (Over turkey) and he said there are 3 running around the streets of Detroit that have a Single Turbo and 1 with a Twin. Problem they are having is keeping them from comming apart lol. The eng was made to take boost so they are slated for 2009-2010 release if they get them set up right and can live for 100,000 miles with no issues. Oh and let me say this he told me 110,000 or so will be max for this motor if its run super hard.


Really? That's very interesting. When they say the engine was made to take boost, do you know any of the specifics? Kinda curious so see how they're handling this, considering they keep coming apart.
And a practical service life of 110k? Wow, that's really short. Unusual that Ford is considering putting that on the Market given the current climate where people look for dependability (hence the rise of Toyota).

[thunderace31]

Cold weather is great for boost. Imagine adding a close ratio 6-speed and AWD to your Buick, and that's what the MKS will be. :)

Nice to hear the rumors from your end, supposedly the turbo 3.7L is in the process of passing EPA emissions certifications. If so it should be ready for the MKS' introduction in 2009. I'd like to think they have a unique forged bottom-end for the 3.7 just like Buick did with the GN, but if they didn't, its gonna be a low-boost only motor.

Ya it will only see from 9-12 psi stock and I dont know that it will hold much more since its not a forged bottom like GM Did with the TB
They are way to much $$ to mess with it I guess.
Ford has lost 20 or more eng. on the dyno with boost but no one has said what or why they blew :(

[thunderace31]

Really? That's very interesting. When they say the engine was made to take boost, do you know any of the specifics? Kinda curious so see how they're handling this, considering they keep coming apart.
And a practical service life of 110k? Wow, that's really short. Unusual that Ford is considering putting that on the Market given the current climate where people look for dependability (hence the rise of Toyota).

Yes ford has had issue with this motor under boost from what my buddy told me they are not fodged bottom ends so this could be the issue. The stock motor no boost was built to handel well over 200,000 miles but add boost and you cut that in half thats at low boost also. start bumping it up and 50,000 may be all you see. :(

I still love my TB I just ordered more parts to go faster lol. I know its an addiction I cant live with out! Speed dosnt always kill but damn it sure is way fun!!!

[thunderace31]

Imagine adding a close ratio 6-speed and AWD to your Buick, and that's what the MKS will be

All wheel drive would break at the power levels most of us in the Turbo Buick worls are pushing :(
Many including me can pull a 1.60 or faster 60 foot so traction is really not an issue with the great tires that are out there. Now on cold tires I can tell you 30 foot of rubber is no issue and thats not really trying lol
:achoo: