CaliCajun78
July 4th, 2007, 06:05 AM
Hey fellas,
Have a problem I think I have a decent bead on, but would love some expert analysis!
1978 Continental 4-dr with the Hydro-Boost disc brakes in front (boost runs off the power steering pump, sans vacuum booster), drums in back. Worked on the car for a man 4 years ago, before I recently bought the car from him. Had same symptoms back then - apply brakes - front end of car jumps up and down and steering wheel shakes violently left to right. Not knowing about the Hydro-Boost system at the time (have to admit I'm sort of a shade-tree mechanic, but a good one, darn it, but hadn't yet encountered Hydro-Boost). Considering the car had mostly sat for about 5 years, I figured his front calipers were bad, and they did drag like hell. Replaced them with rebuilt calipers, had rotors turned. This took them down to minimum spec.
Fast forward 4 years. I buy car, need it immediately, take it on 5 mile test drive and plunk down the cash. Brakes work perfectly.
Begin to drive it from California to Louisiana and the same shaking problem returns. Funny thing is, the longer I drive on the highway w/o touching the brakes, the WORSE the front rotor warpage/jumping/steering wheel shimmy is. Drive it around town 5 minutes, use the brakes, no prob. After 10 minutes, get ready. Drive 75 mph and don't touch them for 2 hours, apply them, and get ready for the Lincoln jumping bean.
Get this now. Before I made the 2,000-mile drive, I put it up in the air, and noticed both front calipers were dragging heavily, and evenly.
My conclusions: Rotors are down to minimums and prime for warpage. But that's the symptom. Here's my hypothetical cause: Either the master cylinder or Hydro-Boost is holding the front caliper pistons in the applied position. The violent shaking after a long stretch w/o touching the brakes suggests continuous application and heating of brakes by a hanging-up M/C or leakage through the Hydro-Boost applying constant pressure. Remember, both calipers were replaced at once, and the wheel drag is identical for both front wheels.
The terrible gas mileage cross-country was another indicator.
Has anyone any experience with the Hydro-Boost seal failing and applying constant pressure to the master cylinder? Any ideas how to economically proceed? The M/C is $16 from Autozone, so I could just play swap the parts, on the chance the M/C is sticking, but the rebuilt Hydro-Boost is $129+ and I don't have that cash to go on a guess....... especially since I know know I have to buy new rotors.
Thanks for any input! :)
Steve C.
Lafayette, Louisiana
Have a problem I think I have a decent bead on, but would love some expert analysis!
1978 Continental 4-dr with the Hydro-Boost disc brakes in front (boost runs off the power steering pump, sans vacuum booster), drums in back. Worked on the car for a man 4 years ago, before I recently bought the car from him. Had same symptoms back then - apply brakes - front end of car jumps up and down and steering wheel shakes violently left to right. Not knowing about the Hydro-Boost system at the time (have to admit I'm sort of a shade-tree mechanic, but a good one, darn it, but hadn't yet encountered Hydro-Boost). Considering the car had mostly sat for about 5 years, I figured his front calipers were bad, and they did drag like hell. Replaced them with rebuilt calipers, had rotors turned. This took them down to minimum spec.
Fast forward 4 years. I buy car, need it immediately, take it on 5 mile test drive and plunk down the cash. Brakes work perfectly.
Begin to drive it from California to Louisiana and the same shaking problem returns. Funny thing is, the longer I drive on the highway w/o touching the brakes, the WORSE the front rotor warpage/jumping/steering wheel shimmy is. Drive it around town 5 minutes, use the brakes, no prob. After 10 minutes, get ready. Drive 75 mph and don't touch them for 2 hours, apply them, and get ready for the Lincoln jumping bean.
Get this now. Before I made the 2,000-mile drive, I put it up in the air, and noticed both front calipers were dragging heavily, and evenly.
My conclusions: Rotors are down to minimums and prime for warpage. But that's the symptom. Here's my hypothetical cause: Either the master cylinder or Hydro-Boost is holding the front caliper pistons in the applied position. The violent shaking after a long stretch w/o touching the brakes suggests continuous application and heating of brakes by a hanging-up M/C or leakage through the Hydro-Boost applying constant pressure. Remember, both calipers were replaced at once, and the wheel drag is identical for both front wheels.
The terrible gas mileage cross-country was another indicator.
Has anyone any experience with the Hydro-Boost seal failing and applying constant pressure to the master cylinder? Any ideas how to economically proceed? The M/C is $16 from Autozone, so I could just play swap the parts, on the chance the M/C is sticking, but the rebuilt Hydro-Boost is $129+ and I don't have that cash to go on a guess....... especially since I know know I have to buy new rotors.
Thanks for any input! :)
Steve C.
Lafayette, Louisiana