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Thanks to all of you for your kind words. From the responses I can tell it has the creative juices flowing from many wells. That's good, the more heads the more ideas.
I'll try to fill in some of the gaps:

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(Drake_tr7) I wonder if the bag material is the same for the standard bags ? Could one concieveably turn a standard Blass bag into a GTC bag with an appropriatly molded adapter ?
The best we could tell, the bladder material is/was the same as any other OEM bag we've seen. Conceivebly you could make an adapter for a Blass base, but the urethane doesn't stretch enough to slip it on as we did to the LSC base.

Nick, I think the difference is that the increaseing rate keeps the front from deflecting as much and so there is less stored energy to work against. Still thinking about this.

Derek, you're right on. If these were to be made from scratch making a specific single piece base would be the way to go.

And as further proof that great minds think alike, W.V. Kelly had already started scaling from the first photos and came up with his own version within mm's of the actual. I love it!
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HELLO I'M NEW HERE AND I'M SEARCHING FOR PHOTOS OF A MARK VII FROM 1984 IF ANYONE CAN FIND OR HAVE PLEASE SEND ME OR PUBLISH HERE
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Read this for some info: http://www.thelincolnmarkviiclub.org...tory/index.htm

Please be more specific as to what you want to see. The bodies are pretty much the same but some sloght changes through the years. (Also, this should be a separate thread and not under the GTC springs.)
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Read this for some info: http://www.thelincolnmarkviiclub.org...tory/index.htm

Please be more specific as to what you want to see. The bodies are pretty much the same but some sloght changes through the years. (Also, this should be a separate thread and not under the GTC springs.)
I skimmed thru this with great anticipation but alas, I must ask, -- what does GTC stand for besides Grand Touring Coupe...and how does that relate to these air bags?
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I skimmed thru this with great anticipation but alas, I must ask, -- what does GTC stand for besides Grand Touring Coupe...and how does that relate to these air bags?
GTC-Grand Touring Coupe

Part of the package that includes enhanced body shape, suspension and performance. Have you visited
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It sure would be nice if those new GTC cabots were made available to the guys who actually ponied up the dough and bought a GTC body kit. Just a suggestion...
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Funny you should mention it.

The project had to be taken off the stove for a while. Not even on the back burner, but off the stove. Way too many other things going on.

That's not to say we won't fire it back up sometime soon. We will. There is just no way to tell when "soon" will be.
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Here's an idea..(I plan to try)
We have the blueprint, thanks to our esteemed associates Places like McMaster Carr sell polyeythelene round stock. A short stub can be fixed to a faceplate on a wood lathe and turned just like a bowl the poly has enough give to slip over an LSC base like their cast polyurethane creations. Most of us have a connection to an amateur woodworker that has a lathe if one asks around a bit. I should think most would like to be able to claim they made a genuine go-fast part for a car on their wood lathe

Feasable yes ?
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We have the blueprint, thanks to our esteemed associates Places like McMaster Carr sell polyeythelene round stock. A short stub can be fixed to a faceplate on a wood lathe and turned just like a bowl the poly has enough give to slip over an LSC base like their cast polyurethane creations. Most of us have a connection to an amateur woodworker that has a lathe if one asks around a bit. I should think most would like to be able to claim they made a genuine go-fast part for a car on their wood lathe

Feasable yes ?
This is very feasable. It was one of the directions I was headed in when I stepped off into the molding.
The exterior dimensions are in the article and the internal dimensions are the base of an LSC bag.
I found several companies here in TX and all around the country that sell the poly bar stock, and it was not stupidly expensive.

OR.....please be patient and Glenn and I will see what we can do.
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This isn't the cheapest option, nor do I want to step on anyone's toes but I am in the vicinity of numerous machine shops and I couldn't help but wonder. I have looked into recreating the springs down to a T. It would cost about $300 a pair for the aluminum sleeves alone. We would then need an air spring to be rebuilt with the sleeve. I would add maybe $250 or $300 for the new springs for a total cost of $600. A number of things popped up on my end and so this project has stalled for me as well. However, the option exists and I lay it out there.
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This isn't the cheapest option, nor do I want to step on anyone's toes but I am in the vicinity of numerous machine shops and I couldn't help but wonder. I have looked into recreating the springs down to a T. It would cost about $300 a pair for the aluminum sleeves alone. We would then need an air spring to be rebuilt with the sleeve. I would add maybe $250 or $300 for the new springs for a total cost of $600. A number of things popped up on my end and so this project has stalled for me as well. However, the option exists and I lay it out there.
This was exactly the reason we explored other methods of changing the shape of the base. To date the urethane sleeves are working as desired. In my opinion I feel the originals were a less than grand solution to start with. Also, after many miles of testing I'm thinking that on a car with the 5.0 in it the same shape as the original is TOO much rate increase due to the lesser weight of a 5.0. With the flexibility of the urethane it will be much simpler to create a less aggressive profile and change it out. I've just been very short of play time to experiment with this further.
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Were the GTC springs the same on both the Stage 1 (5.0) and Stage 2 (5.8) versions, or is that one of the many mysteries?
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Stage I was the body kit and badging only.

Stage II was the handling package i.e.-air springs,sway bar,shocks...etc.
(Stage II could have been a 5.0 or 5.8)

There was never a "stage III" badge designating a 351w and/or T5.

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Are these still available? I would be interested in acquiring a pair. Also, if there are any other GTC mods available, I'd be interested in hearing about them.
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The GTC airsprings are no longer available although they have been copied and made by individuals. Read all thread posts. The bodykit is still available.
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I'm so excited my heart could explode right now. I don't know I managed to not find this website earlier... I've had a Mark VII since I was 15, 8 years ago. I'm on my third one now, and I've finally got that big boy job that lets me play with it!

Now, as it turns out, I don't have the skills or tools to make a set of these... but I know some guys that know some things, so I'm totally gonna make it happen.

And about that GTC body kit. You mentioned it was still available... Where do I sign up? I'm not in the market to do body work yet, too much left to do to the engine, electrical system, interior and suspension... But I'd rather acquire one while I know I can rather than waiting until I can't.

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I'm so excited my heart could explode right now. I don't know I managed to not find this website earlier... I've had a Mark VII since I was 15, 8 years ago. I'm on my third one now, and I've finally got that big boy job that lets me play with it!

Now, as it turns out, I don't have the skills or tools to make a set of these... but I know some guys that know some things, so I'm totally gonna make it happen.

And about that GTC body kit. You mentioned it was still available... Where do I sign up? I'm not in the market to do body work yet, too much left to do to the engine, electrical system, interior and suspension... But I'd rather acquire one while I know I can rather than waiting until I can't.

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Check here http://www.fordvschevy.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51299 It's a long thread, but the guy you want is W. V. Kelly. He can put you on target.
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Now, as it turns out, I don't have the skills or tools to make a set of these... but I know some guys that know some things, so I'm totally gonna make it happen.

And about that GTC body kit. You mentioned it was still available... Where do I sign up? I'm not in the market to do body work yet, too much left to do to the engine, electrical system, interior and suspension... But I'd rather acquire one while I know I can rather than waiting until I can't.

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Well, I registered for Fordvschevy.com like a week ago. Still waiting to be added to the list so I can post or message for inquiry about the kit. Very annoying.

Any idea if you're ever going to be able to trying out different dimensions for a sleeve that would feel better with the 5.0? I mean, if I'm gonna reap the rewards of your hard work, I might as well wait and reap the proper rewards right?
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